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City CouncilJun 11, 2026
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0:00:00 — open the recording at 0 secondsSpeaker 6 Councilperson Zhul Sake,cember 7, 2020. The first item on the agenda is a moment of silence and pledge allegiance to the flag. This evening, the pledge will be led by Councilperson Cheryl Loudermilk. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you
0:00:30 — open the recording at 30 secondsSpeaker 6 indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
0:00:42 — open the recording at 42 secondsSpeaker 8 Chair, will you please call the roll?
0:00:46 — open the recording at 46 secondsSpeaker 10 Councilperson Azar. Present. Councilperson Boland. Present. Councilperson Chalos. Here. Councilperson DeMond. Here. Councilperson Dingle. Present. Councilperson Hinton. Present. Councilperson Loudermilk. Present. Councilperson Nation. Councilperson Thompson. Here. Eight are present. One is absent.
0:01:04 — open the recording at 1 minute 4 secondsSpeaker 0 Thank you. At this time, we reserve up to 30 minutes of public comment on items not on the agenda. Tonight, we have nobody on the sign-up sheet, but is there anyone from the public who would like to comment on a non-agenda item? At this time, we'll close public comment. Next, we have a presentation from Mayor Sackler.
0:01:24 — open the recording at 1 minute 24 secondsSpeaker 17 Good evening, Council President, members of the Terre Haute City Council.
0:01:31 — open the recording at 1 minute 31 secondsSpeaker 18 Before we transition over to the public safety team, I wanted to quickly offer some of the mayoral updates. So it's that storm season that's really starting to hit Terre Haute and, frankly, the Wabash Valley. Please do continue to communicate any intersections or crossings that are struggling with inlet cleanings. I know Ed Stewart and wastewater has been aggressive, but when you have like 7,000 inlets and two Vector trucks, the map doesn't quite map. So we did make some structural changes to the 25th and Locust stormwater station. We added more pumps there.
0:02:06 — open the recording at 2 minutes 6 secondsSpeaker 18 It's been needed for a few years now. We went in and did an inspection after we found a man in a kayak on the 25th Street River. So we noticed that, and we decided to go in and do an inspection because if someone's kayaking in the streets, we probably have a little bit of a problem. The second thing, there's a flyer on all of your desks for the Neighborhood Investment Fund grant program. Please do communicate that to your districts. It has been shared online. We're looking forward to that grant program. No, Councilman Chalos, if you call me five times, it does not help the application itself,
0:02:40 — open the recording at 2 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 18 but that might be a way to try in the future for something else.
0:02:44 — open the recording at 2 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 19 Say it and I have a chance.
0:02:46 — open the recording at 2 minutes 46 secondsSpeaker 18 Oh, my God. But other than that, I did want to invite up Chief Barrett. So as you all know, the city, the county has had flock cameras for several years now. The city did apply for some federal funding focused around schools and main intersections in and along the exits to and from Interstate 70 as well as 41. we did receive that federal funding, which allowed us to modernize the technology of the Tarot Police Department, which really is a fancy way of saying we are finally getting on the same page that the Sheriff Department, the state police, and a number of agencies were already doing,
0:03:23 — open the recording at 3 minutes 23 secondsSpeaker 18 and that's integrating camera technology to our public right-of-ways and our public streets. So next I'll have Chief Barrett come up here and discuss the program. We do have some members of the FLOC team here, as well as a former city council member for the city of Cleveland,
0:03:37 — open the recording at 3 minutes 37 secondsSpeaker 17 to talk about the program, the technology, some of the pros, and answer any of the questions you may have as a council. With that, I'll transition to Chief Barrett.
0:03:49 — open the recording at 3 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 21 Thank you, Mayor. Kevin Barrett, Chief of Police. Good evening, everybody. So I prepared a statement to make sure I highlight the factors that affect us in our community. I want to make sure I don't miss anything before we turn it over to Flock. So under Mayor Sackman's administration, modernizing the police department's use of technology has been a key priority for us. With the support of the city council, we have made significant progress towards that goal over the past two and a half years.
0:04:16 — open the recording at 4 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 21 Flock safety is one of the examples that we are leveraging in technology to enhance public safety, support our officers, and improve investigative capabilities. Flock safety is widely utilized by law enforcement agencies across the country. Today, more than 6,000 agencies nationwide and over 300 agencies throughout the state of Indiana use flock. Closer to home, as the mayor mentioned, the Bob County Sheriff's Department has utilized flocks since 2022, and they currently operate 19 cameras throughout the county.
0:04:48 — open the recording at 4 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 21 Our use of flock reflects a growing trend among law enforcement agencies that are using technology to solve crimes and to improve overall public safety. Since 24, Terra Police Department has deployed 30 fly cameras throughout the city as a part of our public safety and crime reduction efforts. When we implemented this technology, we had two primary objectives. Establishing coverage at key access points into and out of the city and enhancing safety around our schools.
0:05:16 — open the recording at 5 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 21 As the program evolves, we are strategically expanding coverage around city parks, neighborhood business districts, and other locations where children and families gather. These additional placements provide another layer of safety while helping officers and investigators respond more effectively to incidents as they occur. Flock cameras are not used for traffic enforcement, issuing citations, or monitoring individuals.
0:05:42 — open the recording at 5 minutes 42 secondsSpeaker 21 Their purpose is to provide officers and investigators with vehicle information, such as license plate numbers, vehicle descriptions, travel patterns, that will help us locate missing and or endangered persons and identify criminal suspects and behavior. The system enhances our investigative capabilities by helping investigators develop leads more quickly and efficiently. Now, transparency and accountability are essential components of this program. Our policies governing the use of PLOC cameras are publicly available through our transparency portal on the Terrup Police Department website.
0:06:17 — open the recording at 6 minutes 17 secondsSpeaker 21 Data is automatically purged after 30 days unless it is preserved as part of a criminal investigation. Access to PLOC data is restricted and subject to review and oversight, and it is used only for legitimate law enforcement purposes in accordance with departmental policy and applicable laws. Again, every search conducted within the system is logged and subject to review, ensuring accountability and oversight regarding its use.
0:06:43 — open the recording at 6 minutes 43 secondsSpeaker 21 Over the past few years, FLOC has become an important investigative tool, helping officers solve crimes, recover stolen vehicles, locate wanted individuals, find endangered persons, and generate critical leads that may not otherwise be available. Simply put, Flock technology helps us solve crimes faster, improve public and officer safety, and provide valuable investigative information while maintaining accountability, transparency, and respectful individual privacy.
0:07:13 — open the recording at 7 minutes 13 secondsSpeaker 21 So I want to thank you for your continued support of the Terrell Police Department and our efforts to responsibly utilize technology to better serve our community and increase officer safety. So that was just a quick statement that I prepared because I wanted to touch on certain points that I felt that were important for you guys to hear from us as a department. And at this time, I'm going to invite our flock partners up to go through their presentation on what the software, the hardware actually do for us as a community.
0:07:44 — open the recording at 7 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 21 And after that, we'll have Lieutenant Sears step up, our public information officer, and talk about or speak about some success stories. And I think the mayor will close us out and we'll go for questions on that point. Thank you.
0:07:58 — open the recording at 7 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 30 Thank you very much, Chief. And to the city council, thank you so much for having us here today. My name is Kerry McCormick, and I'm on the public affairs team at FLOC. As the mayor noted, prior to my time at FLOC, I served 10 years as a member of Cleveland City Council as a ward councilman. So very much familiar with the work that you do, appreciate the public service that you do, and understand that you make hard decisions and you need good information in order to make those decisions. So we really appreciate the ability to be here with us today.
0:08:27 — open the recording at 8 minutes 27 secondsSpeaker 30 But before I jump into the presentation, and it will be brief, I promise you, I want my colleague here who is the point of contact locally here to just say hello as well.
0:08:37 — open the recording at 8 minutes 37 secondsSpeaker 32 Thank you, Kerry. Thank you, Council. My name is Andrew Blanchett. I have been the territory manager managing all of Indiana for the past three years, So I've had the opportunity to work with almost every police department, sheriff's office, city and county across the state, helping increase public safety. So I'm always available to answer questions as is Carrie. So thank you.
0:08:59 — open the recording at 8 minutes 59 secondsSpeaker 35 Thank you so much. And I got the clicker.
0:09:01 — open the recording at 9 minutes 1 secondSpeaker 36 Thank you, Claire, by the way, for your help here.
0:09:04 — open the recording at 9 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 30 Again, I appreciate the time this evening, as well as the mayor and the chief for having us here today. So just to give you a quick snapshot of who we are. So Flock Safety, we are an American company. We were founded in Atlanta, Georgia, where we are still headquartered until today. We operate in about 49 states across the country, and so we've got folks that work for us that are across all 49 of those states. Myself, don't throw things at me, please. I am a resident of Ohio, but we've got folks that are across the country.
0:09:39 — open the recording at 9 minutes 39 secondsSpeaker 30 We work with approximately 6,000 law enforcement agencies from very small towns to big cities, county sheriffs, state police, things of that nature. And we're proud to be a tool and a component to allow those officers, those law enforcement officers to keep our neighborhoods safe, which of course leads to happier residents and thriving communities. So just a couple numbers to snapshot of who we are. Again, overall, we've got about 12,000 total customers. Again, about 6,000 of those are law enforcement. We also have private customers and businesses,
0:10:16 — open the recording at 10 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 30 which we'll talk a little bit more in about a minute, how they differ from our law enforcement customers. But again, with those 6,000 agencies across the country, we're part of about 10% of solving crimes across the country every single day. So we're proud of that. We see ourselves as a collaborative technology So we do not replace police officers But we are a tool in their tool belt To allow them to do their jobs more efficiently Accurately and effectively Which is a critical component in law enforcement today So today I'm going to highlight One of our most popular tools
0:10:55 — open the recording at 10 minutes 55 secondsSpeaker 30 That are out there in the community And deployed here locally as well That are called license plate readers and I'll give you the quick snapshot of what they are and how they operate. So a license plate reader is a fixed camera that is in the public right-of-way focused on a public road. The camera itself takes the photo of a back of a vehicle, so capturing the back of the vehicle and the license plate.
0:11:21 — open the recording at 11 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 40 So if you could picture it, if you were standing on the side of the road with your iPhone and you took a picture of the back of a vehicle, that is what the license plate readers capture. And the reason why they're important is because they provide precise information to your police department only on vehicles associated with crime or missing people. And so they operate in essentially two different ways. There's a proactive alert and there's a retroactive search.
0:11:48 — open the recording at 11 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 30 So on your screen here, you'll see an example of what a proactive alert looks like.
0:11:53 — open the recording at 11 minutes 53 secondsSpeaker 40 So what a proactive alert is, is if there is a license plate already in the system because it is tied to a crime or a missing person. So let's say an Amber Alert goes out, for example, when a child is abducted and the vehicle associated with that abduction is uploaded into the system. or a silver alert, which is another common instance, and that is going to be a senior citizen that may have cognitive issues, goes missing, family members call law enforcement, that description of the vehicle license plate is uploaded into the system,
0:12:29 — open the recording at 12 minutes 29 secondsSpeaker 30 and then, of course, crime. So when crimes happen, you may have a local camera or a witness who gets the vehicle information as a part of a police report,
0:12:40 — open the recording at 12 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 40 police upload that into the system. If that's already in the system because it's connected to a crime or missing person, and that vehicle drives by one of the cameras, it's going to send an alert that looks like that to your police department that says, hey, the camera at 1st and Main Street of that child that's missing, the vehicle that was associated with that missing child, or the vehicle associated with that homicide or robbery just passed one of the cameras at 1st and Main Street.
0:13:08 — open the recording at 13 minutes 8 secondsSpeaker 40 With under 60 seconds, that alert is going directly to the officer's phones as well as to your police stations. So what that does is that it allows your police to respond immediately to the one specific vehicle that is associated with that incident, knowing exactly where it is. And so your officers can get to the scene. What we always emphasize through the training models and best practices is that when your officers arrive at that scene and they locate that vehicle, they use their human abilities to double check.
0:13:42 — open the recording at 13 minutes 42 secondsSpeaker 30 Yep, that's that blue Chevy ABC123 that we're looking for, initiate the traffic stop.
0:13:49 — open the recording at 13 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 40 After that, they would initiate that traffic stop as they would with or without our technology. So the technology really hones down to the specific vehicle associated with that crime or missing person, allowing your officers to save resources and time specifically related to those vehicles. The other way it's used is a retroactive search of the system over a 30-day period. So let's say a week or two goes by and we have new information about that missing child or that crime that's committed and information comes out with vehicle information on that incident,
0:14:26 — open the recording at 14 minutes 26 secondsSpeaker 40 but it's two weeks later after the fact. Your officers can go into the system and say, okay, we now know that the blue Chevy, Indiana ABC123, is connected to that crime or missing person. Did that specific vehicle pass any of our cameras? So they can run that search on the system. A couple important things to know on that. So yes, it's going to give a result back to say, yup, that vehicle did drive by this camera at this time. While your officers are searching in that database, they have to do several really important things. The first thing is they all have unique ID logins.
0:15:06 — open the recording at 15 minutes 6 secondsSpeaker 40 So they're going to log into the system so that they know that it's Officer Carey that is searching that system. The officer then has to, from a mandatory drop-down menu,
0:15:17 — open the recording at 15 minutes 17 secondsSpeaker 30 select a specific crime or missing person related reason why they are searching that system. And all of that information is logged into perpetuity.
0:15:31 — open the recording at 15 minutes 31 secondsSpeaker 40 So your chief, your community will know exactly how your system is being used and by whom. So while the photos themselves are deleted after 30 days, the record of how the system has been used stays into perpetuity. The 30-day mark that we'll talk about tonight is really a best practice that balances privacy and public safety. So it says, hey, this 30-day mark is enough time for your officers to be able to find this information useful, to be able to look back. But it also puts a finite period so that that data doesn't exist forever.
0:16:10 — open the recording at 16 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 40 So that 30-day is kind of a happy medium between privacy and public safety. So alerts on vehicles that are already in the system, retroactive search with privacy safeguards in place for vehicles over the last 30 days. Importantly, sometimes we'll get a question, hey, what if they get information on day 31?
0:16:31 — open the recording at 16 minutes 31 secondsSpeaker 30 The answer is that that data is hard deleted and inaccessible, so they won't be able to retrieve that. The exception here is if they are investigating something and they get a photo, they can download it to a local server to preserve it as a part of that investigation.
0:16:48 — open the recording at 16 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 40 Again, that action also logged into the activity log to be able to see what has happened. This just gives you kind of a snapshot of what the cameras capture. So they're going to capture the back of the vehicle and the plate itself. So again, if you were taking that picture with your iPhone, you're going to get vehicle make, body type, color, is there a bike rack on it, things of that nature.
0:17:12 — open the recording at 17 minutes 12 secondsSpeaker 30 And it's also going to catch the license plate. The reason that the other components are important as a part of this is because sometimes, whether it's a criminal fleeing or otherwise, people will switch license plates, they'll take the plate off.
0:17:25 — open the recording at 17 minutes 25 secondsSpeaker 40 or, and this is common with hit and runs unfortunately,
0:17:30 — open the recording at 17 minutes 30 secondsSpeaker 30 someone will say it was a blue Chevy and it was ABC but I couldn't read the other three or four numbers. This allows your officers to go in and to search those characteristics to identify potential vehicles. What it does not capture critically are anything beyond that. So it does not capture anything that is personally identifiable. no facial recognition, does not know who's in the car, does not know anything about the inhabitants of the car,
0:17:59 — open the recording at 17 minutes 59 secondsSpeaker 40 and the cameras are not connected to the DMV. So it does not pull the information off that license plate. Officers have to utilize their existing systems to pull that license plate information.
0:18:14 — open the recording at 18 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 30 This is just a slide to say it works well at night. We know that whether it's a missing person or someone that's committed a crime,
0:18:21 — open the recording at 18 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 40 They don't always travel during the day, so the cameras have night vision capability to run those capabilities at night. So the tool can be extremely helpful in pinpointing specific vehicles related to crime and missing people, but we, of course, as Americans, all also value our privacy tremendously in this country, which is why Flock prioritizes privacy within its tools. All of these elements are standard. It's not an a la carte. These are built into the technology from the very beginning.
0:18:56 — open the recording at 18 minutes 56 secondsSpeaker 40 So the first component here, and this is contractually binding, is that 100% of the data, so when I say data, this is the product of the camera. So it's the picture, time stamp, geolocation, where's that camera. Those photos are 100% owned by our customers and are never sold. So you may think of a social media site or someone that collects information on your shopping habits and sells that information. That does not happen within our system. It's not sold and it's 100% owned by our customers.
0:19:31 — open the recording at 19 minutes 31 secondsSpeaker 30 Those private customers, so we'd be thinking about retail stores, mom and pop shops, malls, things of that nature, have no access to government and law enforcement databases.
0:19:44 — open the recording at 19 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 40 So just because they're our customer, they have no access to local, state, or federal AMRA alerts, crime databases. Only sworn law enforcement officers do.
0:19:58 — open the recording at 19 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 30 So while the private customers can give the police information, they do not have any access to those law enforcement databases. As we discussed a little bit earlier, that that data is deleted after 30 days. Exception here is certain states require more or less
0:20:15 — open the recording at 20 minutes 15 secondsSpeaker 40 And of course we and our customers comply with that state law But for states that do not, Indiana, Ohio, many others The 30 days is a best practice As we discussed also, the LPR data collects public information So the state issued license plate on a public right of way And does not collect any personal information and does not utilize facial recognition. One of the great benefits of the system is that you can use the system
0:20:46 — open the recording at 20 minutes 46 secondsSpeaker 30 to collaborate with law enforcement around you. So we know that whether it's a missing person or crime, they don't just slam the brakes on when they hit your community's border. And so the great thing is that your local law enforcement can share information as they would with or without our technology. Law enforcement collaborates all the time. but importantly those decisions are made by your local law enforcement. So they'll make the decisions, yep, we want to share with these folks or we don't want to share with them or here's a radius of who we want to share with.
0:21:20 — open the recording at 21 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 30 So those are in their control. Cybersecurity is also extremely important. It's an extremely important component for our company and quite frankly for everyone nowadays. And so I'll just touch on a couple components of cybersecurity for our company. First and foremost, because we are dealing with law enforcement information,
0:21:43 — open the recording at 21 minutes 43 secondsSpeaker 40 we are required to be FBI CJIS certified, as well as certified by the National Defense Authorization Act. So those are certifications that are not only good to have, we are required to have them given the information that is integrated into our system. But in addition to that, we also work on various third-party independent audits. So in front of you, our SOC 2 and ISO audits, those are internationally recognized independent audits of our system and stress tests for our cybersecurity. We run those on an annual basis to ensure that if there are any vulnerabilities
0:22:21 — open the recording at 22 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 40 within our system, they are identified and corrected. In addition, we also brought on Bishop Fox, which again is a leader in cybersecurity. And their job as an independent firm is to constantly try to stress test our systems to identify any vulnerabilities. When those vulnerabilities are identified, we alert our customers and publish them on our website.
0:22:44 — open the recording at 22 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 30 I always tell folks, you ever get someone here from a technology company that says we're perfect and there's never going to be an issue, do not buy their product because they're lying to you.
0:22:52 — open the recording at 22 minutes 52 secondsSpeaker 40 What's important is that there is tremendous upfront efforts and independent certifications to keep their system safe, and when vulnerabilities are identified, they're corrected immediately, and there's a transparent response. So transparency is also a critical component, and I know that you all have a transparency portal here locally, which is great. And I'll just kind of talk through a couple of those components here tonight. As we discussed, all those searches are documented into a log into perpetuity.
0:23:26 — open the recording at 23 minutes 26 secondsSpeaker 40 So from the very first time the search was run on your system to today, that information is documented. Which officer? What are they looking for? What happened with that search?
0:23:36 — open the recording at 23 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 30 All that is documented so your chief and city leadership can ensure that the system is being used as it should. In addition to that, as we discussed, they're required to select an offense type.
0:23:48 — open the recording at 23 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 40 So they have to tell you why they're doing it that's based in a public safety category. And in addition to that, we recommend that folks do regular audits of their system. And we've also just launched audit assistance, which for the agencies that have used it, they've really liked it. And what that does is it just flags irregular patterns. So let's say Lieutenant Kerry, I just promoted myself, normally searches twice a day. and then on Wednesday I searched 30 times. It's going to send a note to the chief to say, hey, Lieutenant Kerry just searched 30 times.
0:24:25 — open the recording at 24 minutes 25 secondsSpeaker 40 He's normally searching about twice a day. Now maybe that's because I've got a really in-depth investigation I'm working on and there's nothing going on there, but it just flags the chief to say, hey, take a second look at this situation, see what's going on. So a really helpful tool that was added to our auditing.
0:24:41 — open the recording at 24 minutes 41 secondsSpeaker 30 In addition to that, we also have other components that our agencies can select to implement or not. Exception there is when there is state law that requires it, and when there is state law that requires it, it's built into the system.
0:24:56 — open the recording at 24 minutes 56 secondsSpeaker 40 Here locally, with a lot of these, there is no state law that requires these things. So, for example, search filters, your agency can turn on filters to block certain searches.
0:25:05 — open the recording at 25 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 30 The audit logs we've already talked about, the federal limitations is another important thing to note. So within our searches, if you do a statewide sharing or national sharing, essentially you opting into a sharing relationship with anyone in your state that jumps in that pool together, there are no federal agencies in either the state or national sharing networks.
0:25:32 — open the recording at 25 minutes 32 secondsSpeaker 40 So for any individuals that are interested, any agencies that are interested in doing a sharing relationship with a federal agency, they would have to proactively, over a three-step process, engage in that sharing relationship. I'll skip this. This is one of our engineers talking. She's great, but I told the clerk I'd be within 10 minutes-ish. and she seems like she runs a tight ship here so I'm going to stick to that just some headlines here real life news stories of how our technology has impacted people a quick case study here real study out of Georgia from 2020
0:26:14 — open the recording at 26 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 30 she really highlights how the technology is used 12.33pm an Amber Alert is issued after mom calls the police because her child was abducted
0:26:22 — open the recording at 26 minutes 22 secondsSpeaker 40 1.01pm the vehicle associated with the abduction is run through the FLOC system. 2.30 p.m., the vehicle's located. What that means is because that vehicle was already uploaded into the system as a hot list, when it passed a camera, it pinged the PD to say, hey, that Amber Alert just passed this camera. Five o'clock, officers physically locate the vehicle and make a felony stop. 6 p.m., the child is reunited with their mother.
0:26:50 — open the recording at 26 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 30 So hard police work done here, great law enforcement work, but you can see how the tool assisted them in quickly and accurately identifying where that vehicle was.
0:27:00 — open the recording at 27 minutesSpeaker 40 Indiana, we've had over 215 law enforcement agencies that utilize FLOC. You can see a few here. And I'm not going to read these all, but these are just all examples of within the state of real-life stories.
0:27:15 — open the recording at 27 minutes 15 secondsSpeaker 30 These are all news stories. They're not ours, of where our technology has been used.
0:27:19 — open the recording at 27 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 40 So again, here this is a driver who struck a child, shooting suspects, a toddler who was kidnapped, and then this is also a story about how in South Bend they were able to clear cases, backlog cases, using the technology as well.
0:27:37 — open the recording at 27 minutes 37 secondsSpeaker 30 We're really proud of our supporters and that partner with us, so here's a few of them. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, our firm supporter of us because of that work
0:27:47 — open the recording at 27 minutes 47 secondsSpeaker 40 to get trafficked and missing children home to their families. We are proud to have the support of folks like the historic Oakland NAACP who has identified the technology as a way to reduce bias with objective evidence, as well as Mothers Against Drunk Driving.
0:28:04 — open the recording at 28 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 30 They are particularly interested in those hit and runs involving a drunk driver that unfortunately far too many in our country are killed or injured because of drunk drivers. And here is a quote from that local NAACP chapter that we are proud to partner with.
0:28:19 — open the recording at 28 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 48 How'd I do, clerk? All right. I think I'm bringing the mayor or chief back up. Twelve minutes. No, I'm kidding. No, I'm kidding.
0:28:29 — open the recording at 28 minutes 29 secondsSpeaker 53 So just to kind of close this out,
0:28:32 — open the recording at 28 minutes 32 secondsSpeaker 18 Lieutenant Sears is going to go over some specific Terre Haute examples. One thing to note is we currently do not opt into statewide sharing. So we, and this is nothing against state police or any other police agency, We just operate a, you know, they can follow the same rules as the other federal agencies, just because that way it's like one easy, simple system for us to use and maintain. With that, I'm going to have Justin just name three quick examples. We have a lot more, and I want to end with this.
0:29:04 — open the recording at 29 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 18 Next week at the City Update, we are going to go over some of the crime data showing how 2025 was an improvement from 2024. And there's overall cases, there's murders, there's robberies that went down. Something I like to point out is that the clearance rate went up in all the categories we looked at. That, to me, is what matters more than the overall increase or decrease in cases. The clearance rate increasing shows that when there is a crime, we are finding a better way to solve some of these.
0:29:34 — open the recording at 29 minutes 34 secondsSpeaker 18 And that increase means a lot, and it really shows the work that Chief Reigns, Chief Sparks, and the entire crew is doing under Kevin Barrett's leadership. So with that, I'll have Justin come up, and then we'll kind of wrap this up.
0:29:46 — open the recording at 29 minutes 46 secondsSpeaker 57 Thank you, Mayor. President Dinkle, members of the council, thank you for your time this evening. I'm Lieutenant Justin Sears with the Terro Police Department, public information officer.
0:29:54 — open the recording at 29 minutes 54 secondsSpeaker 59 I got the honor tonight to explain a little bit about the perspective of how our patrolmen are using this,
0:30:00 — open the recording at 30 minutesSpeaker 57 our detectives are using this, and then I have some. I'm prepared to read for about 10 or 15 minutes, but we'll only do a couple as far as our own personal success stories. So first and foremost, FLOC does not replace police work. It does not make arrests. It does not interview witnesses. It does not write reports, and it does not solve crimes by itself. What it does is provide officers with the information, often in real time, that helps us generate leads, locate suspects, recover stolen property, find missing persons, and focus our resources where they're needed.
0:30:31 — open the recording at 30 minutes 31 secondsSpeaker 57 Having spent many years both as a patrol officer and a detective, I can personally appreciate the impact that this technology has on modern policing. Earlier in my career, many of these investigations relied solely on witness statements, partial descriptions, and countless hours of canvassing neighborhoods and reviewing surveillance footages. Cases that can now be developed in hours often took days or weeks and sometimes simply didn't have enough information to move forward at all. Flock technology does not replace the work of our officers and our detectives, but it
0:31:00 — open the recording at 31 minutesSpeaker 57 gives them a tool that I wish had been available throughout my early career. It provides actionable information that helps officers make better decisions, respond more quickly, and focus investigative efforts where they are most likely to succeed. I'm grateful that today's officers and detectives have access to technology that allows them to serve our community more effectively, while still relying on the same police work investigative skills and professional judgment that have always been the foundation of successful law enforcement. So as we move forward, I'm going to pick a couple here.
0:31:28 — open the recording at 31 minutes 28 secondsSpeaker 59 I have prepared at least two or three for all of your different districts. So it's successful across the city. And any time after this or any time in the future, if you want to talk to myself or anybody in the administration, they can go over these success stories or explain different things about FLOC to you.
0:31:48 — open the recording at 31 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 57 A Terro Police Department detective was assisting another agency in locating a missing endangered adult who had left a nearby town in a Ram 1500. Using flock LPR technology and a license plate provided by the family, the detective quickly identified the vehicle's location and relayed the information to the investigating agency. Officers located the individual stranded in a ditch on a remote dead end during nighttime hours. The subject was transported to a local hospital and was unharmed.
0:32:15 — open the recording at 32 minutes 15 secondsSpeaker 59 Flock technology provided critical information that directly contributed to the safe recovery of this person. That's one of about six different missing persons or silver alerts that I have prepared to read today.
0:32:26 — open the recording at 32 minutes 26 secondsSpeaker 57 Multi-jurisdictional ATM burglary, ring identified and disrupted by little old Terre Haute. This was a nationwide ring that was going from Texas to the East Coast that was hitting every city that they could on the way by breaking into ATMs. Detectives investigated a series of ATM break-ins within Terre Haute, utilized surveillance footage in combination with Flock LPR data to identify suspect vehicles. Further investigation revealed the same vehicles were linked to similar incidents across multiple jurisdictions.
0:32:56 — open the recording at 32 minutes 56 secondsSpeaker 57 jurisdictions, including out-of-state locations, using flock technology, detectives track vehicle movement patterns, coordinated with partner agencies to support a multi-jurisdictional investigation. It doesn't really do justice what we did. We coordinated with four or five different police departments after we gained the information from St. Louis to Arkansas with multiple vehicles to take all those people into custody. I'll read this last one because this is an important one.
0:33:24 — open the recording at 33 minutes 24 secondsSpeaker 57 This is basically where we started or recognized that we needed to add to what Beigle County already had as a flock system. Detectives investigated an armed bank robbery at Hometown Savings Bank where a suspect displayed a handgun, demanded cash, and fled in a white Ford hatchback, which was taken from video footage that we got from the library. Detectives searched flock cameras nearby and identified the suspect vehicle entering Terre Haute before the robbery. The plate captured flock and investigators, and it eventually led us to a place in Illinois.
0:33:58 — open the recording at 33 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 59 After we located that vehicle, we were able to track it down to multiple vehicles or rental vehicles, and we started our detectives. We were doing a great job of reaching out and figuring out that this wasn't a one-time thing.
0:34:09 — open the recording at 34 minutes 9 secondsSpeaker 57 This also solved a bank robbery in New Albany, and it also made us realize if we had our current system of flock cameras right now, it wouldn't have taken more than a week. we probably would have had somebody in Vermilion County waiting for them.
0:34:24 — open the recording at 34 minutes 24 secondsSpeaker 59 That's exactly what would have happened. So with our current system, we would have had that license plate up and gone and police officers waiting in Vermilion County, and our officers going northbound to pursue them as well. Instead, it took a week to two weeks. So if you have any more, I've got dozens. If there are any questions, I'll bring Chief Barrett, the mayor, back up. We appreciate your guys' time. Thank you.
0:34:47 — open the recording at 34 minutes 47 secondsSpeaker 66 Thank you. Council, do we have any questions?
0:34:49 — open the recording at 34 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 71 Chief, how many cameras do we currently have in Terre Haute?
0:35:00 — open the recording at 35 minutesSpeaker 72 Thirty.
0:35:02 — open the recording at 35 minutes 2 secondsSpeaker 71 And are all those on major roadways?
0:35:05 — open the recording at 35 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 72 Yes.
0:35:06 — open the recording at 35 minutes 6 secondsSpeaker 71 Okay. I saw online an accusation that one of the flop cameras was pointed towards someone's home. I take it that is not the case.
0:35:16 — open the recording at 35 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 74 That is not the case. No. No.
0:35:19 — open the recording at 35 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 68 And I had some questions in regards to the storage.
0:35:28 — open the recording at 35 minutes 28 secondsSpeaker 78 How is the data stored for those 30 days?
0:35:31 — open the recording at 35 minutes 31 secondsSpeaker 42 Absolutely. So the data is stored on the AWS GovCloud server, which is one of those secure servers that you can get to.
0:35:38 — open the recording at 35 minutes 38 secondsSpeaker 30 It is in a segregated portion for each customer. So you all would have your own section of storage. and then so that's the storage and then again you decide if you want to share the access with other agencies.
0:35:55 — open the recording at 35 minutes 55 secondsSpeaker 71 And we heard that there's a three-step process for other agencies to get to that information. Could you explain how that works?
0:36:03 — open the recording at 36 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 33 Yeah, absolutely.
0:36:04 — open the recording at 36 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 40 So just because that was referring to the federal access, so first and foremost you'd have to make yourself discoverable to a federal agency.
0:36:11 — open the recording at 36 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 30 So you have a filter that allows you to not be discoverable at all.
0:36:16 — open the recording at 36 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 40 The second component was that either you or a federal agency, so let's use the example of the Postal Service, that's a frequent collaborator because of postal theft, for example. Did it have to be a request to essentially go into a friendship for lack of a better term of a sharing relationship? And then from there, both of you would have to say yes. So let's say you set yourself as discoverable. the Postal Service reaches out to you all and says, we'd like to share, we're having issues in your community,
0:36:46 — open the recording at 36 minutes 46 secondsSpeaker 40 you could absolutely still say, nope, we're good, or yes, we'd like to share with you to address these issues. The other component of that, too, is you can always turn those off. So let's say your police department, you were having a rash of, I'll just, in Cleveland, people were stealing the master keys and stealing mail. I don't know if you all have experienced this here, but you could say, you know, we'll share with you, and then if you solve that case, you could always turn it off then too.
0:37:14 — open the recording at 37 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 80 And that's the case with all sharing relationships.
0:37:18 — open the recording at 37 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 71 And I guess I'd go back to Chief Barrett. I know there's been some concern about potential sharing with agencies like ICE. Is that something that THPD intends to do? We're turned off. Okay. And is THPD's plan to stay turned off as a shared?
0:37:36 — open the recording at 37 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 92 Yeah, it'd be a case-by-case situation. If they have a serious violent felon that's running around our community
0:37:41 — open the recording at 37 minutes 41 secondsSpeaker 94 and we can cooperate with each other to find that person, that's when we'll do that.
0:37:48 — open the recording at 37 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 98 And then, so after that 30 days, you said it's a hard delete. I'm not very tech savvy, so you can explain what that is.
0:37:56 — open the recording at 37 minutes 56 secondsSpeaker 33 Absolutely. So the data, and by the way, I also have a business degree, so I'm not a cybersecurity expert either, just as a full transparency.
0:38:05 — open the recording at 38 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 40 It is hard deleted and unrecoverable from the server. So essentially, and that is all audited. Those are external audits, the SOC 2 ISO. They also audit that process to ensure that it is working as it should.
0:38:18 — open the recording at 38 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 30 So it is completely unrecoverable. So it's not like you delete something on your iPhone and you can go to recently deleted file. It's completely wiped from the server.
0:38:29 — open the recording at 38 minutes 29 secondsSpeaker 103 And that's automated, like the system does it on its own? That's correct. It doesn't have to be told to do it?
0:38:34 — open the recording at 38 minutes 34 secondsSpeaker 40 So in 31 days, if your chief says,
0:38:36 — open the recording at 38 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 30 hey, Carrie, 31 days ago we had an issue, can you pull this? And it's sorry, Chief, we cannot. It's gone.
0:38:44 — open the recording at 38 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 105 And there were, you mentioned you have business customers as well as private customers.
0:38:50 — open the recording at 38 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 107 Can law enforcement access that data?
0:38:54 — open the recording at 38 minutes 54 secondsSpeaker 77 If those businesses grant access, yes.
0:38:57 — open the recording at 38 minutes 57 secondsSpeaker 40 So let's say you had a mall, I'm going to make this up, forgive me, but you had a mall that was a customer, they're having a rash of break-ins,
0:39:04 — open the recording at 39 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 30 and the mall wanted to give access to your law enforcement, yes, cannot go the other way, though.
0:39:10 — open the recording at 39 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 112 Okay.
0:39:11 — open the recording at 39 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 30 So the mall could not get access to your local law enforcement information.
0:39:15 — open the recording at 39 minutes 15 secondsSpeaker 71 And would they have to go through that same three-step process, making themselves be accessible and then request? That's correct.
0:39:23 — open the recording at 39 minutes 23 secondsSpeaker 114 They'd have to go into that sharing relationship.
0:39:26 — open the recording at 39 minutes 26 secondsSpeaker 71 I think you answered my questions. And just as a personal aside, I've had several criminal cases that have involved use of FLOC. I've seen the success that it can have in solving some of these crimes. But I also want to say that I've also had it provide exculpatory evidence in cases. So I think it works both ways. As attorneys, I think body cam footage was one of the greatest things that happened. We'd always prefer to have hard evidence, video, photographs. So I think this provides a good tool for law enforcement.
0:40:13 — open the recording at 40 minutes 13 secondsSpeaker 40 Yeah, Council Member, and shame on me I should have brought that up. That's exactly right.
0:40:17 — open the recording at 40 minutes 17 secondsSpeaker 30 So it's not just about catching criminals. It also, within courts and evidence, can free people. That shouldn't be there.
0:40:26 — open the recording at 40 minutes 26 secondsSpeaker 120 I yield.
0:40:29 — open the recording at 40 minutes 29 secondsSpeaker 123 Any other questions? Just one. You said you have 30? Yes. Do you anticipate the need for more?
0:40:36 — open the recording at 40 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 21 Yes. How many? We're working with Flock right now to identify spaces that we need them. Going back to my statement, when I was talking about local business districts, other parks, things like that, that we're interested in.
0:40:52 — open the recording at 40 minutes 52 secondsSpeaker 127 And that's how you decide where they're going to go? Yes. You base it on? Correct.
0:40:56 — open the recording at 40 minutes 56 secondsSpeaker 129 All right. Thank you. I yield.
0:40:59 — open the recording at 40 minutes 59 secondsSpeaker 132 Council President Bollin.
0:41:01 — open the recording at 41 minutes 1 secondSpeaker 134 Well, first of all, Chief Barrett, thanks for letting us know that the transparency portal makes access to anyone who wants to look what the policy is. Yes, you're welcome. I appreciate that, and I think some people in the public should go take a look at it.
0:41:17 — open the recording at 41 minutes 17 secondsSpeaker 136 And so my questions are just with regards to policy. I can go look it up as well, but I'll just ask a couple questions with regards to policy. So Councilwoman Thompson kind of touched on the ICE part of it. So our policy also prevents searches related to immigration,
0:41:34 — open the recording at 41 minutes 34 secondsSpeaker 138 and I think what the slide said was reproductive care at the request of the community. Reproductive care.
0:41:42 — open the recording at 41 minutes 42 secondsSpeaker 140 Can you talk a little bit about that, and is our policy in line with that?
0:41:47 — open the recording at 41 minutes 47 secondsSpeaker 42 Yes, I can speak on our side. So those two specific filters are there, A, because customers wanted them,
0:41:53 — open the recording at 41 minutes 53 secondsSpeaker 40 but also certain state laws require them. And so essentially it would be any search
0:41:59 — open the recording at 41 minutes 59 secondsSpeaker 42 related to reproductive health care.
0:42:03 — open the recording at 42 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 48 And if the filter was on, it would block any of those searches.
0:42:07 — open the recording at 42 minutes 7 secondsSpeaker 143 And we have an audit process in our policy
0:42:11 — open the recording at 42 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 136 independent of the multiple agencies that perform the external audits?
0:42:16 — open the recording at 42 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 146 Yeah, there's two audits going on. Plock's doing one internally, and then we do our own.
0:42:20 — open the recording at 42 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 136 And our policy also talked about who we can share that data with. Correct.
0:42:27 — open the recording at 42 minutes 27 secondsSpeaker 151 Okay. All right. Thank you. You're welcome.
0:42:35 — open the recording at 42 minutes 35 secondsSpeaker 28 Thank you all.
0:42:36 — open the recording at 42 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 154 Thank you.
0:42:37 — open the recording at 42 minutes 37 secondsSpeaker 28 I appreciate the time. If I could just leave you with cards.
0:42:39 — open the recording at 42 minutes 39 secondsSpeaker 30 If you wake up tonight and you have another question, please don't hesitate to reach out. Clerk, give me a card. You know what? You might give me a card. I wake up at 3 every morning. I'll give you a call. I'll give you a call.
0:42:50 — open the recording at 42 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 163 That's pretty good. I'm at 2, 3.30. I get up at 3 no matter what.
0:42:56 — open the recording at 42 minutes 56 secondsSpeaker 165 I'm about 3.30. I wake up. Thank you.
0:43:02 — open the recording at 43 minutes 2 secondsSpeaker 167 Okay. Corrections to the general from the preceding meeting. There are none. Reports from city officials.
0:43:08 — open the recording at 43 minutes 8 secondsSpeaker 171 There are none. Communication from the mayor. We already had that.
0:43:13 — open the recording at 43 minutes 13 secondsSpeaker 173 There are none.
0:43:14 — open the recording at 43 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 171 Reports from Board of Public Works and Safety.
0:43:17 — open the recording at 43 minutes 17 secondsSpeaker 166 There are none. Reports from standing committees. There are none. Reports from non-standing committees. There are none. Items previously tabled. There are none. Tax payments for confirmation. There are none. Items on second reading. There are none. Items on first reading. You have one.
0:43:28 — open the recording at 43 minutes 28 secondsSpeaker 176 General Ordinance 6, 2026. Amending City Code, creating Chapter 2, Article 16, Section 2-250, Will Tax.
0:43:36 — open the recording at 43 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 53 Good evening, Council President Dingle and members of the Terre Haute City Council.
0:43:40 — open the recording at 43 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 18 So we are going to table this until the July 9th meeting. There are two amendments that we have to do. One is under the Indiana Code that was passed under House Enrolled Act 1461 or 1641. Sorry, forget the specific state law, but we have to specify the fund name inside the code. The second is we did find out we are legally able to put multiple years in so we can keep something flat and you don't have to look at this annually, which the plan will be 2027-2028, keeping it flat at 15 and then 2029 a two dollar increase to make it 17 so we're going to clean
0:44:22 — open the recording at 44 minutes 22 secondsSpeaker 18 that up and put that in uh this general ordinance and then there's also the sur tax which is the same thing as the wheel tax but for like non-traditional vehicles like trailers which residents are already paying to the county and they have been for several years now the state is essentially forcing us to rename this the city wheel tax. So the governor's intent was to have quote skin in the game for cities. Our county already had one. We're renaming it to the city for city residents to have our skin in the game. The governor's goal was also for city councils
0:44:58 — open the recording at 44 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 18 and mayors to enact this before 2027, which we are following. So we have access to the additional state funding, which the current estimates show $400,000.
0:45:10 — open the recording at 45 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 180 I'll stand by for any questions. If you don't have any, we'll make sure to send the updated ordinance.
0:45:16 — open the recording at 45 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 0 Members of the public who wish to comment on General Ordinance 6-2026. Hearing that, we'll close public comment.
0:45:24 — open the recording at 45 minutes 24 secondsSpeaker 185 Mr. President, you should have an amended copy proposed amendment in front of you, and there's no requirement to do anything tonight.
0:45:36 — open the recording at 45 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 188 Any council questions?
0:45:38 — open the recording at 45 minutes 38 secondsSpeaker 191 Sure. You have something? No. You ready to communicate anything? I'll ask one.
0:45:44 — open the recording at 45 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 134 So if we don't do this, then we would not be eligible for that additional funding that you're talking about, right?
0:45:50 — open the recording at 45 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 193 Correct, Councilman Boland. We would still be eligible for the community crossing portion, but that amount was reduced
0:45:58 — open the recording at 45 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 18 from $1.5 to $1 million. Basically, the .5 or the 500,000 that cities and counties used to be eligible for was put in a separate bucket, local lane mile distribution. That bucket you are eligible for if you have a, they wrote it as like municipal wheel tax. So that way, if a city or county has one, then you're eligible. And then it took a year for us to break out the double taxation portion. So a lot of this was passed in 2024, and then we spent 2025 changing the law so that way if Council President Dinkle goes in to register his vehicle, he does not pay a city and county will tax.
0:46:40 — open the recording at 46 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 18 Secondly, I do want to add, the governor did suspend the gas tax another month. Based off the numbers, he probably has 30 to 60 days to be able to continue to do it. Based off of the surplus that they have, that they've been receiving off of different fuel taxes in the state general fund, they have communicated to the mayors that this will not affect next year's NDOT and then local road and street funding. They're going to use portions of their surplus to cover that. We are working to get something in writing just in case, because as you learn in this business, things change.
0:47:20 — open the recording at 47 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 180 But that's an update on that specific action.
0:47:22 — open the recording at 47 minutes 22 secondsSpeaker 195 Thank you, and thank you for getting in and running.
0:47:26 — open the recording at 47 minutes 26 secondsSpeaker 53 But, you know, as Councilwoman Thompson said, every attorney has a different interpretation. So I don't know.
0:47:34 — open the recording at 47 minutes 34 secondsSpeaker 0 Any other questions? Absent a motion, this will be heard again on July 9th.
0:47:44 — open the recording at 47 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 199 Are you ready?
0:47:47 — open the recording at 47 minutes 47 secondsSpeaker 201 We'll adjourn. I'd just like to take a minute to congratulate the Terro North girls softball team on their semi-state win. Wish them the best of luck at state finals tomorrow. Hope they know that the Terro community is behind them. I've got the opportunity to see a couple of the games. If you haven't, it's a great bunch of girls. bunch of girls. They have great sportsmanship, and they're representing Terre Haute great. Chief Sparks, try to relax. Yes, ma'am. His daughter is one of the phenomenal players, so we wish him luck.
0:48:14 — open the recording at 48 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 167 Thank you. I yield. I move to adjourn. Second. It's been moved by Councilperson Aizar, seconded by Councilperson Thompson, that we adjourn. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, say aye. City Council stands adjourned.
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