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City CouncilAug 6, 2026
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0:00:00 — open the recording at 0 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) For this regular meeting of the Terre Haute City Council on Thursday, August 6, 2026. The first item on the agenda is a moment of silence and pledge of allegiance to the flag.
0:00:10 — open the recording at 10 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) This afternoon, the pledge will be led by Councilperson Jim Chalos.
0:00:23 — open the recording at 23 secondsSpeaker 5 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and see the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible,
0:00:35 — open the recording at 35 secondsSpeaker 9 with liberty and justice for all.
0:00:45 — open the recording at 45 secondsSpeaker 12 (clerk) Shall we please call the roll? Councilperson Azar. Here. Councilperson Boland. Councilperson Chalos.
0:00:52 — open the recording at 52 secondsSpeaker 13 Pleasantly present.
0:00:54 — open the recording at 54 secondsSpeaker 12 (clerk) Councilperson Devon. I'm here and I'm more happy to be here than Jim. Councilperson Dinkle? Present. Councilperson Hinton? Present. Councilperson Loudermilk? Present. Councilperson Nation? Here. Councilperson Thompson? Here. Eight are present, one is absent. Thank you. We did know in advance that Councilperson Bolin could not join us this evening.
0:01:12 — open the recording at 1 minute 12 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) At this time, we reserve up to 30 minutes of public comment on non-agenda items. Speakers who signed up in advance will be called in the order they signed up. After that list has been exhausted, anyone else wishing to speak may do so if time remains. When your name is called, please approach the podium, state your name for the record, and limit your comments to three minutes. Public comment is an opportunity for members of the public to address the council.
0:01:37 — open the recording at 1 minute 37 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) It is not a question and answer period and speakers should not expect back and forth discussion with council members staff or others present. Please direct your comments to the council as a body and maintain respectful conduct so that everyone has a fair opportunity to be heard. First on the list is Danny Beamer.
0:02:03 — open the recording at 2 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 23 There we go.
0:02:04 — open the recording at 2 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 25 Okay. Okay. Test one, two, three, four. Your mic was cutting out a little bit, sir.
0:02:10 — open the recording at 2 minutes 10 seconds Thank you.
0:02:13 — open the recording at 2 minutes 13 secondsSpeaker 27 Hey, Siri, set a timer for three minutes.
0:02:16 — open the recording at 2 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 30 Three minutes, starting now.
0:02:21 — open the recording at 2 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 29 My name is Danny Wayne Beamer.
0:02:23 — open the recording at 2 minutes 23 secondsDanny Wayne Beamer (resident) I've worked for radio stations in Terre Haute since 1990, promoting the city of Terre Haute, nonprofit organizations and agencies. In the early 2000s, I began working with an organization to help individuals that were sensory challenged. blind 55 and older in the last 10 years of my work with that organization which I departed three years ago unexpectedly I saw a lot more information about people under 55 of the age that are blind or visually impaired the CDC and I communicated with the Beko County Health Department and Shelby was very helpful
0:03:00 — open the recording at 3 minutesDanny Wayne Beamer (resident) she reached out to the state but I've written and been a part of a team writing grants like this for years the information is not number wise available the best I could come up with which Health Department agreed CDC says 3.4 percent of individuals living in the city of Terre Haute are experiencing some type of vision loss that's about 2,000 people so tonight I'm here to introduce you to Ileana Vision Connection that organization is designed to help individuals that are sensory challenged of all ages helping them with daily living skills
0:03:37 — open the recording at 3 minutes 37 secondsDanny Wayne Beamer (resident) bringing to them awareness of resources educating their families and educating public officials about when you're working with someone who is sensory challenged maybe not pointing to something and saying let's step forward this way and i don't mean that derogatory to anyone in this room The goal of this organization is to provide daily living skills for individuals. This is a path I've walked daily. I've got two other individuals that are part of this nonprofit. We are now a 501c3 from the Internal Revenue Service. Anybody shaking their head right now? Because that takes a while to get done.
0:04:15 — open the recording at 4 minutes 15 secondsSpeaker 39 Yes, it does.
0:04:17 — open the recording at 4 minutes 17 secondsDanny Wayne Beamer (resident) It does, yes. So my goal here tonight is to introduce the Ileana Vision Connection 2, the leaders of the city of Terre Haute I don't have an advertising budget but I have six of seven billboards sitting here right now tonight I hope you can help me get the message out and the two things I'm hoping to have you help me with is steps for funding I'm certainly going to miss Kelly Miller with the Wabash Valley Community Foundation I just sent my grant in and was told by
0:04:52 — open the recording at 4 minutes 52 secondsSpeaker 29 June of 2027 they would let me know if my grant was approved. That's a year, a long time.
0:05:01 — open the recording at 5 minutes 1 secondDanny Wayne Beamer (resident) A 35 year old individual who's blind contacted me and said, I need help, I'm diabetic. That's a number three cause of vision loss here in the Wabash Valley. I'm totally blind, my doctor says I need a scale. So my goal is to help that person purchase a talking scale. The last thing I want to ask you for is an office of some kind that I can have resources set up so these individuals can come. I can work with them to help them. That's individuals of all ages.
0:05:40 — open the recording at 5 minutes 40 secondsDanny Wayne Beamer (resident) Thank you so much to the City Council. I appreciate what you do every day and you get pulled a lot of different directions. Thank you. Have a nice day. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much, Danny. Next on the list is Sean Stewart.
0:05:58 — open the recording at 5 minutes 58 secondsSean Stewart (resident) Hello, can you hear me okay? Hi, thank you for taking our comments here. I'm here today to ask about talking crosswalks in Terre Haute, Indiana. I, like Danny, am also visually impaired. If anyone doesn't know, the talking crosswalks, these are the beeping signals that are at the intersections. What they do is they essentially tell you when it's safe to cross, and they can also tell you which intersection you are at. So if you hold it down, it'll tell you which street you're facing and which street that is next to you. I use these every single day.
0:06:36 — open the recording at 6 minutes 36 secondsSean Stewart (resident) A lot of people who are visually impaired also use them. There are people who might be all over the spectrum for disabilities that might rely on these. Sometimes they do go down and they don't work. And there are a couple different options for reporting these. I want to express my gratitude to 311 Contact Center for Terre Haute. I've called them several times about ones that I've noticed are out of commission. There are also various other individuals and groups that I've spoken to about the talking crosswalks. Unlike traffic lights, you can't really just go by and see that they're out.
0:07:11 — open the recording at 7 minutes 11 secondsSean Stewart (resident) You have to hear that they're out, and sometimes there are a few different problems with them. Sometimes they might tell you it's safe to go when it's not safe to go. That's probably the worst problem. Sometimes they just might not work at all. So sometimes they might beep, so they appear to be working, but they're not working when you hold them down so they can tell you when it's safe to go. And there are people who might rely on these who might not be legally blind, but they might need these for various reasons.
0:07:37 — open the recording at 7 minutes 37 secondsSean Stewart (resident) And if someone's in a pinch, they might choose to cross a road unsafely if they need to get somewhere in a time limit. And like I said, while these have been very, the people I've spoken to have been very responsive about repairing them when they've been down, and I want to be very grateful about that. There aren't enough people, I think, who are aware of the problem and who use these that when they go down, that people can report them in time. And what I'm asking slash proposing is if there could be some sort of task force in
0:08:11 — open the recording at 8 minutes 11 secondsSean Stewart (resident) the city of Terre Haute specifically devoted to checking these things maybe every couple weeks just to make sure that they're okay and that they're working so that so that by the time someone relies on them they're not put in a dangerous situation where they can't cross or in the worst cases it's telling you that it's safe to cross when it isn't because it's out of sync or it's it's the streets are flipped it thinks that one traffic light is changing when it's the opposite one on the intersection if there could be some sort of task force that could
0:08:36 — open the recording at 8 minutes 36 secondsSean Stewart (resident) kind of could be responsible for checking these every couple weeks that would make the city of Terre Haute a lot safer for the people who rely on these. Thank you.
0:08:44 — open the recording at 8 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 43 Thank you. Next on the list is Nathan Hawkins.
0:08:57 — open the recording at 8 minutes 57 secondsSpeaker 54 Hi, I'm Nathan Hawkins. I live at 908 South 7th Street. And I'm asking for an update on the historic resources resurveying process. I know someone asked about this back in June and the mayor said he was looking at some firms so I'm just curious how that's going and also who's the point person for this whole effort. Thank you.
0:09:19 — open the recording at 9 minutes 19 seconds Thank you. I'll give it as my update.
0:09:23 — open the recording at 9 minutes 23 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) I'll let the mayor speak to it under his update. Is there anyone else from the public who would like to comment on a non-agenda item? At this time we'll close public comment. Corrections to the of the preceding meeting?
0:09:38 — open the recording at 9 minutes 38 secondsSpeaker 62 There are none. Communications for the mayor.
0:09:41 — open the recording at 9 minutes 41 secondsSpeaker 64 Good evening, Council President Dinkle, members of the Terre Haute City Council.
0:09:47 — open the recording at 9 minutes 47 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) I'll start with that question. So Clark Dietz is the firm that we are going to use. They recently have done this in two different cities, and I'm blanking on the cities, but they did the survey, which then transitioned into an ordinance. I do need to get that through the Board of Works and signs, and signs, so that's the next step. But we do have a firm in mind, and that firm does have ample experience in that field. So thank you, because I would not have remembered to remind them had you not asked. So thank you for doing that. The second is, you know, over four years ago, there was an
0:10:22 — open the recording at 10 minutes 22 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) international crisis known as the Russian-Ukrainian War, and that's been going on for over four years now. It's actually going into its fifth year. That is the reason why the governor cited delaying the
0:10:34 — open the recording at 10 minutes 34 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) gas tax. The reason being is he'd already extended it the 120-day legal limit because of the Iranian war. Might I add that our president said he was going to solve the Russian-Ukrainian war on day one in office, and that obviously hasn't happened because we're using that as a reason to extend the gas tax again. So I actually do believe the gas tax should be extended. I agree with his decision to do that. I did read some of his staff's tweets a few years ago when they were blaming President Biden for $5 gas, but that's neither here nor there. Long story short, the state gas tax is
0:11:11 — open the recording at 11 minutes 11 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) going to be extended. The good news is we remain in close contact really with Senator Mishler on
0:11:16 — open the recording at 11 minutes 16 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) Senate Appropriations about how they're going to backfill this local funding. We did get documents in writing about the funding for the first 120 days. We're not worried about that. That money's
0:11:29 — open the recording at 11 minutes 29 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) coming in. Now we have to get something in writing about the next 120 days. Hope streams and promises, they look great on Facebook, but it's also nice to have something in writing. If you looked, the governor was very quick to bring up his now $5 billion budget surplus. And so I think that's where that's going to come from. However, we have not received something in writing. Last time he gave us a verbal commitment, it did happen. So we'll continue to work with his office to get that all squared away. I did want to let you guys know because that did hit the news, I believe,
0:12:00 — open the recording at 12 minutesBrandon Sakbun (staff) yesterday at 3.30 p.m. Eastern time. So everything's trending well. Once we get it in writing, I'll inform you guys via email and we'll be good to go, especially as we look at budget season for next year. With that, pending any questions, that's all I have. I did put a longer Facebook update up yesterday with some smaller projects and still, you know, digging through all the emails, calls, and texts as I get back 100% in the office. Any questions? That's all I have with some items on the agenda later tonight. David, we don't have two hours of presentations today, so
0:12:35 — open the recording at 12 minutes 35 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) I hope the council business is 15 minutes today like it was last time we spoke.
0:12:39 — open the recording at 12 minutes 39 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) And the council all cheered. Councilperson Nation.
0:12:43 — open the recording at 12 minutes 43 secondsSpeaker 74 Mayor, thanks for the update on Clark Dietz. It looks like they're an Indianapolis firm
0:12:47 — open the recording at 12 minutes 47 secondsTodd Nation (councillor) out of Keystone. Do we have an idea when that's going to actually go before the Board of Works and Safety? I don't have that
0:12:55 — open the recording at 12 minutes 55 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) answer today, but let me talk to Jesse, let me talk to Marcus, and I'll email you guys an update.
0:13:03 — open the recording at 13 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 74 Do we expect to sign a contract, enter a contract this year?
0:13:07 — open the recording at 13 minutes 7 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) Yeah, the money's already budgeted for this year, so this calendar year is when we have to get that project started. And does the money that we
0:13:15 — open the recording at 13 minutes 15 secondsSpeaker 80 have budgeted, is that going to be enough, or are we going to have to They think so.
0:13:21 — open the recording at 13 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 83 They think so.
0:13:22 — open the recording at 13 minutes 22 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) Yeah. I mean, it's looking like, again, it's just a survey that leads into the ordinance conversation.
0:13:28 — open the recording at 13 minutes 28 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) So the big cost there is labor, like getting someone to come and look at all the buildings. But one reason why I wanted to go, I'm not a huge fan of going outside of our community for some of these projects and jobs.
0:13:41 — open the recording at 13 minutes 41 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) I do want independent comments on this. not someone who lives here, not anyone on the council, not a realtor, not an attorney who lives here. I'm trying to actually get something objective because I know it's really opinionated and I know I have my opinions on it.
0:13:59 — open the recording at 13 minutes 59 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) So I'm trying to get an actual independent look at this conversation.
0:14:02 — open the recording at 14 minutes 2 secondsTodd Nation (councillor) And will the product that Clark Dietz produces be an update of the interim report, the document that we're using now that dates to 1980?
0:14:18 — open the recording at 14 minutes 18 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) Yes, that does need to happen.
0:14:20 — open the recording at 14 minutes 20 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) And that is one of the do-outs that we've asked for them in our scope of work. And then the reason why that also needs to happen is, as this council notes, because you helped me do this, we've extended our historic facade grant to 12 points. And under the current rules, because some of these buildings haven't been analyzed since 1980, 46 years ago, there's a lot more buildings that are in that historic category that are eligible for these projects. And frankly, the Redevelopment Commission has been waiving that because we recognize that it hasn't been done since 1980.
0:14:52 — open the recording at 14 minutes 52 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) So there's a human side to this conversation. But I'd like to get away from having to waive that portion of the conversation by just updating the report.
0:15:01 — open the recording at 15 minutes 1 secondTodd Nation (councillor) Thank you. That's helpful. To give the Redevelopment Commission more of a document to work from, we were able to incorporate the National Register Historic District application for 12 points and call out specific buildings to include and all that. So it was a workaround that had we had a up-to-date historic survey to work with, we wouldn't have had to do. So I appreciate you guys, you and Jordan and everybody up there, helping navigate all that and make it as useful as possible for 12 points. And I appreciate the work that you've done on this and that it's going to happen. Thank you. I yield.
0:15:50 — open the recording at 15 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 10 Thank you, Mayor.
0:15:50 — open the recording at 15 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 93 Reports from city officials. There are none. Reports from Board of Public Works and Safety. There are none. Reports from standing committees.
0:16:03 — open the recording at 16 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 61 There are none.
0:16:04 — open the recording at 16 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 93 Reports from non-standing committees.
0:16:05 — open the recording at 16 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 98 (clerk) There are none.
0:16:06 — open the recording at 16 minutes 6 secondsSpeaker 99 Items previously tabled.
0:16:08 — open the recording at 16 minutes 8 secondsSpeaker 98 (clerk) Special Ordinance 7-2026, rezoning property located at 335 Kent Avenue. Area planning gave a favorable with conditions recommendation.
0:16:17 — open the recording at 16 minutes 17 secondsSpeaker 100 Petitioner. Yes.
0:16:20 — open the recording at 16 minutes 20 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) If you would just give us a little brief update of what the zoning class is, what you're going to.
0:16:28 — open the recording at 16 minutes 28 secondsSpeaker 104 I'm just asking an R1 single-family lot to be rezoned to R2 to build a duplex.
0:16:37 — open the recording at 16 minutes 37 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) Okay, thank you. Is there any member of the public who wishes to make a comment on Special Ordinance 7-2026? Hearing that, we'll close public comment and open for council discussion.
0:16:48 — open the recording at 16 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 110 Council President Thompson.
0:16:52 — open the recording at 16 minutes 52 secondsSpeaker 112 I was at area planning yesterday evening, and we took a look at kind of the area of the houses that are around here,
0:17:03 — open the recording at 17 minutes 3 secondsAmanda Thompson (councillor) or around this particular property, and there are actually, and I think you answered the question last night,
0:17:08 — open the recording at 17 minutes 8 secondsSpeaker 116 that there are actually several other two multifamily residences along this road, and even the house right next door is a duplex. Is that right?
0:17:18 — open the recording at 17 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 117 Yes, that's correct.
0:17:21 — open the recording at 17 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 120 I don't have anything else. I just wanted to share that information.
0:17:25 — open the recording at 17 minutes 25 secondsTodd Nation (councillor) Mr. President? Councilperson Nation. I went and looked at this, and I had the same observation that Amanda just related. And if there's no further discussion, I move that we – do we need to take action on this one? No. I move for approval of Special Ordinance No. 7, 2026.
0:17:43 — open the recording at 17 minutes 43 secondsSpeaker 125 Second.
0:17:44 — open the recording at 17 minutes 44 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) It's been moved by Councilperson Nation, seconded by Councilperson Hinton, the special ordinance 7-2026 be approved.
0:17:51 — open the recording at 17 minutes 51 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, say nay. The motion passes.
0:17:55 — open the recording at 17 minutes 55 secondsSpeaker 128 Special ordinance 7-2026 is adopted. Thank you. Thank you. Next item.
0:18:01 — open the recording at 18 minutes 1 secondSpeaker 98 (clerk) Special, I'm sorry, appropriation 11-2026, $225,000 from edit number 04040096
0:18:08 — open the recording at 18 minutes 8 secondsSpeaker 101 (staff) to edit purchase of equipment 0404-0096-04444010. You must vote to take action.
0:18:18 — open the recording at 18 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 131 Petitioner.
0:18:19 — open the recording at 18 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 133 Good evening.
0:18:21 — open the recording at 18 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 135 I'm sure you guys have questions and I'm going to answer them.
0:18:26 — open the recording at 18 minutes 26 secondsBobby (staff) But I've given you all kind of a highlight reel of the pros of what I am trying to do. So we've been looking into purchasing a new support truck located at 9th and Ohio. It is currently 17 years old. We've had our mechanics rebuild the top end of the engine multiple times. It has air leaks. and the crazy thing was when we came up here and there it was not on the capital asset plan to purchase a new one there was a lot of other apparatus that were on there that typically get spaced out every seven to 12 years for engines ambulances ladder trucks but this one had
0:19:25 — open the recording at 19 minutes 25 secondsBobby (staff) unfortunately been left out and we caught it. So we let it go a couple years working on it when we could and making some updates to it, but at the end of the day it's falling apart. So I saw a lot of things on GovDeals. Most recently the last couple years I sold two of my engines, my engine pumpers that I surplused after receiving new Pierce equipment over the last couple years. Through GovDeals, it's a great online website for cities to sell their surplused items, but at the end of the day there's fees and commissions. I sold
0:20:16 — open the recording at 20 minutes 16 secondsBobby (staff) those trucks for about $79 and $84K. So I reached out directly to the person that bought those, and that person is Brindley Mountain Fire Company down in Alabama. They're the largest, basically new used car lot for the fire departments around the nation. So they buy, sell and trade apparatus. So I started looking. I gave them a call and I found a new rescue truck that's a few years newer than what we currently have. 40,000 less miles, a warranty and a lot less problems. And on top of that, cutting out the middleman, Gov deals, I was able to make a deal
0:21:11 — open the recording at 21 minutes 11 secondsBobby (staff) with them. I've been to the Board of Public Works last week. I've surplused two other vehicles to where I would actually trade a decommissioned ladder truck that is basically a big paperweight right now to us, but they would love to have it for parts. I have three reserve engines, And now that we've got our numbers of firefighters back up to where they should be, I don't really need that for training anymore. So I can cut that down to two.
0:21:44 — open the recording at 21 minutes 44 secondsBobby (staff) That pumper that those two pumpers they sold or they bought from me for $79,000 and $84,000, they're offering me $100,000 for this one because they don't have to deal with GovDeals. So I'm making a lot more money, a lot less fees and commissions. But at the end of the day, there's $225,000 still to deal with on top of my trade-ins. So I'll take questions or comments.
0:22:13 — open the recording at 22 minutes 13 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) Thank you. Is there anyone from the public who wishes to comment on Appropriation 11-2026? Hearing none, we'll close public comment. Open council discussion. Scotsperson Thompson.
0:22:23 — open the recording at 22 minutes 23 secondsAmanda Thompson (councillor) I actually caught a news story a day or two ago. There's a shortage of fire trucks in the U.S. Is that accurate from your experience?
0:22:32 — open the recording at 22 minutes 32 secondsSpeaker 144 I would say there's a shortage and there's also a monopoly on them.
0:22:37 — open the recording at 22 minutes 37 secondsBobby (staff) I mean, a lot of the bigger corporations bought up all the mom and pop fire companies and now they're under umbrellas, which is good because you have the bigger name brand companies that are putting time and effort into it, but it also pushes your timeline back. I'm sure you've seen on Facebook and the news, we just took possession of our new ladder eight to replace ladder eight out there at Deming Park, but it took four and a half years to get here. So I have to plan this stuff out well in advance in order to get those apparatus.
0:23:17 — open the recording at 23 minutes 17 secondsSpeaker 116 And I also read that the cost of a new fire engine has almost doubled in the last six years.
0:23:25 — open the recording at 23 minutes 25 secondsBobby (staff) If not tripled, depending on which company you go with, you know, you can still pick up fire trucks for $700,000, $800,000. The ones we currently have are just over a million dollars now, where we used to buy them for about $600,000, $700,000.
0:23:45 — open the recording at 23 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 151 So this particular truck that you're wanting to buy, it is used?
0:23:51 — open the recording at 23 minutes 51 secondsBobby (staff) It is. It's a 2012 Pierce, and I think I notated that in there as well. So the big thing going with Pierce is now all of our front line apparatus are from Pierce. I've sent both my mechanics over the years to classes up in Appleton, Wisconsin to get better training on these vehicles. I've bought software for them, so at the end of the day, it makes sense to have a Pierce with the rest of them. That way, they know what they're looking at. They can diagnose it easier with the software. Myself and the chief have bought them, so it makes sense to go with the Pierce.
0:24:32 — open the recording at 24 minutes 32 secondsSpeaker 152 How many years of use do you think you'll be able to get out of it?
0:24:36 — open the recording at 24 minutes 36 secondsBobby (staff) So that was the other thing that I started with, I guess. It's a 17-year-old truck that wasn't on our capital asset plan, right? So we have to budget that in there. We just bought new air packs. Chief Luther just bought, well, she came here a few months ago, and she's re-boxing ambulances instead of purchasing new ones. It saves us about a million dollars over three ambulances. She's doing two and then possibly a third. But this is a short to medium term purchase. I'm hoping to get six to maybe even eight years. It's the support truck. It doesn't run near as much as our engines and ladders do.
0:25:27 — open the recording at 25 minutes 27 secondsBobby (staff) However, it is our lifeline and our toolbox when it comes down to every single fire we go on. It carries all the equipment. It goes up on 70 to do large-scale extrications. So this truck's a little bigger. It's got more space. Over the last couple years, I've purchased more extrication equipment for the guys and new up-to-date stuff. So not only is it falling apart, what we currently have, but it's also running out of room in it.
0:26:02 — open the recording at 26 minutes 2 secondsSpeaker 156 And hopefully, you know, when it comes time when we do have to replace this one in six years, hopefully this situation will have been fixed.
0:26:11 — open the recording at 26 minutes 11 secondsBobby (staff) Yeah, you know, we've had to tighten up our budget with Senate Bill 1 and just purchasing all this new stuff that has kind of happened over the last couple years. and looking at the budget, you know, eventually we're going to start running short in a couple years. So I feel like this will get us by to get over that hump where we can actually get it on our asset plan and purchase a new one for them down the road.
0:26:38 — open the recording at 26 minutes 38 secondsAmanda Thompson (councillor) And great work on what you've done, trying to find value in some of these used fire trucks to be able to save the fire department money. Yeah. It's all good work.
0:26:48 — open the recording at 26 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 116 Thanks. I don't know if you've done it.
0:26:49 — open the recording at 26 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 162 Council President Jay Lewis.
0:26:52 — open the recording at 26 minutes 52 secondsSpeaker 165 Hey, Bobby, will this be held on as a reserve if ever needed, or what are you going to do with the present one?
0:26:58 — open the recording at 26 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 144 Well, it doesn't currently have a pump. You know, it doesn't have a pump. It's just a rescue, a heavy rescue truck.
0:27:05 — open the recording at 27 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 167 In case our rescue goes down.
0:27:08 — open the recording at 27 minutes 8 secondsBobby (staff) So, actually, that was one of the three apparatus I plan on trading off to them. At the end of the day, so the Cascades not only does it have engine problems and it's starting to produce a lot of air leaks, but the Cascade system that we fill our SCBA packs up on out on the fires, refill bottles, that system within the current support five does not operate anymore. It's obsolete.
0:27:40 — open the recording at 27 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 169 Well, I'd like to echo Amanda's. I mean, it's nice that you're thinking out of the box and trying to save us some money because obviously we're all trying to save a little money these days. I yield.
0:27:55 — open the recording at 27 minutes 55 secondsSpeaker 173 Councilperson Hazard. It says it comes with a warranty. What is it?
0:28:00 — open the recording at 28 minutesSpeaker 135 So it's just like any used car lot, right? You go in there and haggle a little bit. Originally it was $450,000.
0:28:11 — open the recording at 28 minutes 11 secondsBobby (staff) and I talked him down to 425, and we went through it for three days. I actually drove to Alabama because I wanted to put my hands on it, put my eyes on it, and I took one of our mechanics with us. So we ran a full diagnostic on it, made sure everything electrical and mechanical was working, and at the end of the day, we had a page of very minute things, but things that we wanted to fix, and they complied. They said they were going to fix it within the price as well as do the full service of all fluids and filters, which that might sound silly to some because it's a
0:28:54 — open the recording at 28 minutes 54 secondsBobby (staff) $50 oil change, but an oil change on a truck of that magnitude is a few hundred dollars. They're going to replace the brakes. They're going to do all of that as well as have a one-year major mechanical and electrical
0:29:10 — open the recording at 29 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 177 warranty. Yes. Okay. I yield. Thank you.
0:29:20 — open the recording at 29 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 180 Councilperson Loudermilk. If there's no
0:29:22 — open the recording at 29 minutes 22 secondsSpeaker 183 further discussion, first I'd like to say, Chief, thanks for all your work and I'd like to make a motion to take action on appropriation 11-2026.
0:29:30 — open the recording at 29 minutes 30 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) Second. It's been moved by Councilperson Loudermilk, seconded by Councilperson Chalos, that we take action on Appropriation 11-2026. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, say nay. The motion passes.
0:29:42 — open the recording at 29 minutes 42 secondsSpeaker 187 We may now take action on Appropriation 11-2026.
0:29:44 — open the recording at 29 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 60 Thank you.
0:29:45 — open the recording at 29 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 187 Councilperson Loudermilk.
0:29:46 — open the recording at 29 minutes 46 secondsSpeaker 180 I'd like to make a motion that we approve Appropriation 11-2026.
0:29:50 — open the recording at 29 minutes 50 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) Second. If it moved by Councilperson Loudermilk, seconded by Councilperson Chalos, that Appropriation 11-2026 be approved. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, say nay.
0:29:59 — open the recording at 29 minutes 59 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) The motion passes. Appropriation 11-2026 is adopted. Next item.
0:30:04 — open the recording at 30 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 191 Preparation 12-2026, $45,000 from Casino number 0180-0000,
0:30:11 — open the recording at 30 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 101 (staff) Civic Promotions 0180-00003-439186. You must vote to take action.
0:30:20 — open the recording at 30 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 194 Petitioner. Okay, so I know normally I'm in my jovial positive mood, but this is actually a pretty tough topic. So Susie's Place is a child advocacy center.
0:30:30 — open the recording at 30 minutes 30 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) Indiana is one of six states in the nation that does not provide state funding for CACs. So Susie's Place, which is 56% federally funded, ran into an issue thanks to legislation like the One Big Beautiful Bill and lost 56% of their funding. The good news is the state legislators considering providing them funding in 2028-2029. And it looks positive. Like, I do think that's going to happen. The bad news is they're short in 2026 and 2027.
0:31:02 — open the recording at 31 minutes 2 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) So I've been meeting with them for a while now, but I've also been meeting with our regional counties that are involved with the Terre Haute Susie's Place, Sullivan, Park, Clay, and of course Vigo County. $150,000 is the total need for both years, $75K in each year. The reason why I'm here to ask for 45 and not 75 is because so far Clay, Sullivan, and Bego County have agreed to do 15 for this year. I know you're thinking, okay, well, 75 minus the 45, we should be asking for 30.
0:31:38 — open the recording at 31 minutes 38 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) Well, 45 is what we're going to submit, and then I'll deduct 15 off the $75,000 I'll ask you for next year to help lower that a little bit. And as more counties and cities pitch in, I'll lower what the city is doing. But I went into this conversation saying, let's request what we know is needed today, not what's going to come in in the future. Now, there's a very good question would be, Mayor, why would the city, you know, front so much of this and not do 15,000? Well, 46% of the cases that they look at are Vigo County specific, right?
0:32:11 — open the recording at 32 minutes 11 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) And I've asked all the counties and cities to chip in, you know, out of good faith. But I don't have the time to haggle with five different county councils. And frankly, after the warming center debacle, I just cannot afford for Susie's Place to go out of business. And so I'm here to ask you for $45,000 because the federal government decided to take away funding for organizations and nonprofits like Susie's Place, which for those who don't know, it provides a location for kids to have very, very difficult
0:32:43 — open the recording at 32 minutes 43 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) conversations with law enforcement and attorneys about some of the worst experiences of their life. And if we didn't have a Susie's Place, we'd be interviewing minors at the jail or police department, which, you know, both facilities have positives and negatives. But when you look at the environment that Susie's Place provides compared to these other environments, you'll know why we need to support organizations like them. Their board has been great to work with. Their executive director has been great to work with. I think they've done an excellent job trying to get this
0:33:13 — open the recording at 33 minutes 13 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) in the 2028-2029 budget cycle, and I do believe they'll be successful at the state level. But right now I'm asking, you know, multiple counties to help us keep this organization alive for 26 and 2027. So with that, I'm requesting $45,000 from the casino budget. The casino's doing fine tax-wise. I know a lot of people see in the news that they're for sale. For those who don't know, Churchill Downs is selling 11 casinos, and we're one of them. And they want to sell all 11 at once. And each one's in a different location that has different gaming laws. So this is going to be
0:33:50 — open the recording at 33 minutes 50 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) very, it's going to take a long time for this to happen. People want to say, oh, is the Terre Haute casino the one for sale it's one of 11 because the entire company is restructuring to try to focus on horse racing a little bit more and they want to build a new horse racing park so that company is doing their thing but it doesn't change the fact that our gaming revenue projections have come in over what we expected and it's performing very well right so that is a large scale company conversation that frankly has nothing to do with the city of terro what does
0:34:22 — open the recording at 34 minutes 22 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) have something to do with this is we will, you know, actively be engaged as to who the next casino provider is as much as we can because state, you know, the state casino board decides that. The casino foundation, which is separate from the money I'm asking you for, which comes through gaming revenue tax, is established by state statute. So no matter if Councilman Nation or Councilman Hinton or David Kroenke, sorry, you're close to me, that's why we do, or David Kroenke owns a casino, they legally have to put money into a foundation that is a binding document,
0:34:54 — open the recording at 34 minutes 54 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) and agreements that the foundation makes are binding. So I'm here to ask you for some casino dollars because it's been a good year for the casino, and we're going to hold on the rest of the surplus to kind of keep growing our cash balance, but this is a crisis that I need money with today. So with that, I'll take any questions. Sir, anyone from the public who wishes to comment
0:35:12 — open the recording at 35 minutes 12 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) on Appropriation 12-2026. Hearing that, we'll close public comment. Open for council discussion.
0:35:19 — open the recording at 35 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 198 Councilperson Thompson. Sorry, I got very talkative tonight. Um, so just to kind of, um,
0:35:27 — open the recording at 35 minutes 27 secondsAmanda Thompson (councillor) clarify for anyone watching, um, yeah, Susie's Place, um, they are amazing. Um, they're trained professionals that know specifically how to interview children, um, in a manner that keeps it, the least traumatizing possible. It's a great tool that many agencies use. Terre Haute Police Department, Sheriff's Department, Department of Child Services, as you mentioned, Clay County and Sullivan County also use Susie's Place. I had to watch many Susie's Place interview. It's amazing the work that they do.
0:36:10 — open the recording at 36 minutes 10 secondsAmanda Thompson (councillor) has any of the prosecutors' offices, like has Emily Clark from Clay County or Ann Mischler in Sullivan County,
0:36:20 — open the recording at 36 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 147 had they been contacted directly to see if they would be able to contribute?
0:36:24 — open the recording at 36 minutes 24 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) That is a really good question, and that answer is no. I just actually contacted the councils and then the law enforcement departments of the counties that CZ Place serves. So later this week, I'll actually reach out now to the prosecutors of those counties to include ours,
0:36:39 — open the recording at 36 minutes 39 secondsSpeaker 202 which could help with that overall funding. Thank you.
0:36:42 — open the recording at 36 minutes 42 secondsAmanda Thompson (councillor) Because I did see the Vigo County Prosecutor's Office recently bought some equipment for THPD. So there's kind of a hand-in-hand relationship. Sometimes they help out our city police department. Maybe in this case they might be able to contribute to Susie's place as well. So, yeah, I would like to explore to see what those prosecutor's office might be willing to put forward. And I'm very happy to hear, too, that those county councils have seen the importance of the program and are willing to step up and contribute. It disappoints me that we feel that we can't even go to our Vigo County Council
0:37:17 — open the recording at 37 minutes 17 secondsAmanda Thompson (councillor) to ask for the support because, like you said, it's not something we can even rely on. But is this something, you know, could we take a pause and explore funding through the prosecutor's office or is this something that you feel we need to move on tonight?
0:37:34 — open the recording at 37 minutes 34 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) I would move on the 45, But the reason why I didn't ask you for the full 115, which is what gets us both years, is if I do 45 this year, this gives me until January of next year to begin deducting the 75 for next year. And then I did not put the 75 for them in the budget next year, so that way I can come back and do an additional appropriation and give you an exact amount. Because what I didn't want to do is say, all right, well, we need 75. as you all know that budget gets submitted and end of august approved in october you get into
0:38:10 — open the recording at 38 minutes 10 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) next year and then you don't spend all of it so it's just like i'll come back next year with the exact amount we need for 2027 for 2026 45 gets us there i know sullivan's moved on theirs i know the county has moved for this year but for next year it's just i mean it's hard to get a consistent budget meeting schedule they've done 46 additional appropriations this year y'all have done 12 and multiple have been grants that we got money for so it's just different right now and i'd rather
0:38:40 — open the recording at 38 minutes 40 secondsBrandon Sakbun (staff) just kind of take their 15 for now and then and ask other folks councilperson latterville um mayor
0:38:50 — open the recording at 38 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 183 i'm glad you brought this forward i know that i have spoke to them several times and i think i
0:38:54 — open the recording at 38 minutes 54 secondsCheryl Loudermilk (councillor) the original thing was to come to the city and ask for money is what I told them. I've told them to speak with the counties. I know that Commissioner Clinkenbeard did request, and the county council, he made a request, so they'll be voting on it next week for some of this to go to Susie's place. So I won't take up everybody's time, but I want to echo what they have both said. This program is very needed in our community, and the staff is amazing. And if you've never got the chance, I know a couple of you went with me that night, you need to call them up and just get a tour and talk to them.
0:39:34 — open the recording at 39 minutes 34 secondsCheryl Loudermilk (councillor) So I appreciate you bringing this forward. I yield.
0:39:38 — open the recording at 39 minutes 38 secondsSpeaker 208 Councilperson Hinton.
0:39:39 — open the recording at 39 minutes 39 secondsSpeaker 209 Thank you. For me, this is any time we are dealing with children,
0:39:46 — open the recording at 39 minutes 46 secondsKandace G. Hinton (councillor) I'm an easy sail. And I had the opportunity to visit Susie's place. I had no idea it existed. But that visit, again, the staff was amazing. The stories, they didn't tell detailed stories, but just kind of the scenarios in which the children face and how they are already traumatized of being in an environment that is not traumatizing at all made me want to either volunteer or do something there. because it's a beautiful space for children. And so I'm absolutely in favor of using the money for this, plus the casino has about 60 of my dollars.
0:40:33 — open the recording at 40 minutes 33 secondsKandace G. Hinton (councillor) And if it's going to this, this is a good use of my money.
0:40:41 — open the recording at 40 minutes 41 secondsSpeaker 216 You've already paid for it. I yield. I just want you to know that I think it's a great project, and I've done my part to contribute to the conceit.
0:40:54 — open the recording at 40 minutes 54 secondsSpeaker 218 I've got no comment for once. I don't know how to follow that up.
0:40:58 — open the recording at 40 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 223 If there's no further discussion, I move to take action on Appropriation 12. Second.
0:41:04 — open the recording at 41 minutes 4 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) Then moved by Councilperson Azar, seconded by Councilperson, let them know that we take action on Appropriation 12, 2026. All those in favor say aye. Aye.
0:41:14 — open the recording at 41 minutes 14 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) Opposed, say nay. We may now take action on Appropriation 12-2026.
0:41:18 — open the recording at 41 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 223 Mr. President, I move that we approve Appropriation 12-2026 as presented.
0:41:23 — open the recording at 41 minutes 23 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) Second. The move by Councilperson Azar, seconded by Councilperson Loudermilk, that Appropriation 12-2026 be approved. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, say nay. The motion passes. Appropriation 12-2026 is approved. Before we move on, I just want to add a little bit to this discussion. I also got to go on the tour with my colleagues, and what they've all said is true. The staff there is amazing. But just to put in perspective how integral this is to law enforcement and the work that the Terre Haute Police Department and the Vigo County Sheriff's Office does,
0:41:54 — open the recording at 41 minutes 54 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) our juvenile detectives have reported that they're there nearly every day. There are cases constantly. They are in and out of that building all the time. I've talked to Chief Barrett. I've talked to the Sheriff Fell. They all agree that this is an essential service to solving crimes in our community. so I think it's only right that the city invest in that. Next item.
0:42:20 — open the recording at 42 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 98 (clerk) Special Ordinance 9-2026, rezoning of property located at 908 South 7th Street. Area planning did not take action. This will need to be heard again in September.
0:42:32 — open the recording at 42 minutes 32 secondsSpeaker 236 Do we have a petitioner who would like to speak on this?
0:42:33 — open the recording at 42 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 239 Hi, I'm Margaret Herdlick. I live at 908 South 7th Street. And before I start, I just wanted to say thank you for supporting Susie's Place.
0:42:48 — open the recording at 42 minutes 48 secondsMargaret Herdlick (resident) I think that's really wonderful. So I was really excited to come here tonight and ask for a vote on the rezoning of our family home. The home is 140 years old. it's never been anything but a single family home. And it's zoned R2, but it should be zoned R1. And so we don't need to do this, but it's a gesture of love and respect and, frankly, protection for the future of the house. So I'll add that when you don't do this with a lawyer, it's a lot of work, many hours and many visits to the annex.
0:43:30 — open the recording at 43 minutes 30 secondsMargaret Herdlick (resident) And a shout out to the wonderful Michelle Edwards who spent an hour with me and a neighbor going through the whole form and then twice read over my completed form. I mean, she was wonderful. So thank you, Michelle. So last night, my husband and I and my son, one of my sons, went to area planning. This sign, I do have a visual aid. This sign has been in my yard for a month, and it says come to the Area Plan Commission and then yesterday's date at 6 p.m. And I was a little nervous about the time, and so my son called me down.
0:44:12 — open the recording at 44 minutes 12 secondsMargaret Herdlick (resident) He Googled it, and there was a, under meetings, there was something with yesterday's date, and it said it started at 6 p.m. So we went over there, and the annex was locked up tighter than a drum. And it's not a tragedy, but it's extremely frustrating, because we work full-time, and we had planned to go to the meeting. It was on the calendar, and you can only do it once a month. And so I just want to express how frustrating that was last night to have that happen.
0:44:44 — open the recording at 44 minutes 44 secondsMargaret Herdlick (resident) My husband and my son went to area planning today and pointed out that we had had this sign with the wrong time and that the website was wrong. And apparently there's another, that's the VigoCounty.in.gov that we looked at, but there's another page that has the correct time. So their response was, it's the city's fault. They do the signs. And, you know, frankly, I don't care who's faulted it. I just think that the county and the city should be talking and there shouldn't be inconsistent messaging. Because, you know, city and county are supposed to be working for the public, right?
0:45:29 — open the recording at 45 minutes 29 secondsMargaret Herdlick (resident) So that's why I'm here. I do want to say that one other interesting thing that I think it was Jared Baylor my husband said he was an important looking man who seemed to be the head of the department and he had his own office so I'm guessing that that was Jared Baylor he did say you all
0:45:54 — open the recording at 45 minutes 54 secondsSpeaker 247 the city council you have the staff recommendation from the engineer's office
0:45:57 — open the recording at 45 minutes 57 secondsMargaret Herdlick (resident) and I will add that there is nothing controversial about this rezoning And I will add that next month, on this date, when you guys have a meeting, my classes are starting.
0:46:10 — open the recording at 46 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 239 It's a very busy time for me. And he said they can vote. The city council can vote without a vote from area plan.
0:46:18 — open the recording at 46 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 101 (staff) No. Okay. Statutes are extremely clear. A recommendation has to be issued. The council can vote without you being here after they receive the recommendation next month. But we can't vote tonight because we have to have a recommendation from area planning. It's under Title 36 of the state statutes. But next month, you could send your husband or you could send, I'm not sure how old your son is. I don't want to have a five-year-old show up, but they could represent you. But the council can vote after we receive the recommendation.
0:47:02 — open the recording at 47 minutes 2 secondsSpeaker 257 Okay. Well, I would never contradict Michelle. So if she says it, it must be accurate.
0:47:08 — open the recording at 47 minutes 8 secondsSpeaker 259 Anyway, I just wanted to say, you know, can we please clean up that information so that accurate information is shared? Thank you very much. Thank you.
0:47:16 — open the recording at 47 minutes 16 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) Okay. Does anyone from the public wish to comment on special ordinance 9-20-26? Okay. We'll close public comment. Any council discussion? Councilperson Thompson.
0:47:27 — open the recording at 47 minutes 27 secondsSpeaker 112 Yes. I was at area planning last night, and it's typically the practice that if the petitioner doesn't show up, we just table it.
0:47:35 — open the recording at 47 minutes 35 secondsAmanda Thompson (councillor) If I would have put two and two together, I would have said, hey, let's go ahead and vote on it last night, but it did not click. I've been advised that this has apparently been an issue we've always been 6 o'clock for area planning up until last month
0:47:53 — open the recording at 47 minutes 53 secondsSpeaker 198 so it just switched to 5pm and apparently it has not been updated on the website and the notices are still saying
0:48:03 — open the recording at 48 minutes 3 secondsAmanda Thompson (councillor) 6 o'clock so I apologize to you, I apologize to anyone else from the public that intended to attend the meeting last night and were given the wrong time. That is very unfortunate and I assure you I will be speaking to area planning
0:48:18 — open the recording at 48 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 101 (staff) about that. I yield. Mr. President, I also sent a message to engineering who posts the
0:48:25 — open the recording at 48 minutes 25 secondsSpeaker 265 signs to make sure that it clearly states 5 p.m. I ran across it by accident, just like
0:48:33 — open the recording at 48 minutes 33 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) the fees. No, I know this is not the first time I've encountered this issue where petitioners have shown up and the time has been changed.
0:48:44 — open the recording at 48 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 270 Okay. Next item.
0:48:51 — open the recording at 48 minutes 51 secondsSpeaker 98 (clerk) Special Ordinance 10-2026, reserving a property located at 2215 Garfield Avenue. Area planning
0:48:57 — open the recording at 48 minutes 57 secondsSpeaker 101 (staff) gave it favorable with conditions recommendation.
0:49:00 — open the recording at 49 minutesPaul Gibson (resident) Petitioner. Yes, I am Paul Gibson from Shipping Saint. I kind of agreed. I did all mine myself. I talked to an attorney before I actually You purchase the property. And then after three phone calls and no response, I thought, I'm going to do it myself. It is challenging, so I agree with that. We had one little hiccup. They actually put the sign, like you had. I didn't read the sign, but they actually put it up in my house. I was out of state.
0:49:25 — open the recording at 49 minutes 25 secondsSpeaker 276 My wife said, Paul, there's a sign. Our neighbors are asking it in front of our house. Did you put the right document, the right address on there? I'm like, I'm sure I did. Let me check my email.
0:49:34 — open the recording at 49 minutes 34 secondsPaul Gibson (resident) So somehow then I wound up calling, and they corrected it and put it on the actual property and everything else. But I understand it is frustrating trying to do it all yourself, but I'm pretty easy going, so it all worked out just fine. Anyway, so the property I'm looking at is actually, I think it's miszoned, but I'm not a professional. It actually used to be the Mason Lodge, whatever you want to call it. Mason Lodge, so it's a big, massive building and a zone residential one. It has a parking lot. It's three-quarters of an acre.
0:50:04 — open the recording at 50 minutes 4 secondsPaul Gibson (resident) Behind it is an alley and commercials by the library, if you have all that. anyway, it's zone residential and I have a small software company. We have eight employees. It's not open to the public, but anyway, we want to zone C1 just so we can have space and yeah, any questions?
0:50:24 — open the recording at 50 minutes 24 secondsSpeaker 261 Is there anyone from the public who wishes to comment on special ordinance 10-2026? Hearing none, we'll close public comment, open council discussion. Councilperson DeBond. Yeah, I was
0:50:34 — open the recording at 50 minutes 34 secondsSpeaker 281 actually the listing realtor of the property when we sold it. And I agree. When I did go to list it and I realized it was zoned residential, I was really surprised. I feel it should also be a commercial zoning. I completely agree. And I want to thank you. I think you're someone who's going to take good care of that building. It's a very nice building. I yield.
0:51:02 — open the recording at 51 minutes 2 secondsSpeaker 282 Councilperson Nation.
0:51:05 — open the recording at 51 minutes 5 secondsTodd Nation (councillor) I've been familiar with this building all my life. I was surprised to see that it is zoned for one. I grew up just a few blocks from there, and Sacred Heart Church and school are right across 13th Street from the alley. You can see it. You can see the back of it from Sacred Heart. Anyway, I am glad to support this.
0:51:30 — open the recording at 51 minutes 30 secondsSpeaker 122 I'm sure Jim will have something to say about this, too.
0:51:33 — open the recording at 51 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 288 Yeah. Actually, echoing, I was actually surprised when he came and asked me.
0:51:38 — open the recording at 51 minutes 38 secondsSpeaker 292 I had to hunt you down. He had to hunt you down. Oh, by the way, oh, she's gone now, but the phone number for your phone number is not accurate.
0:51:44 — open the recording at 51 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 297 We figured that out.
0:51:47 — open the recording at 51 minutes 47 secondsSpeaker 298 But it most certainly is a commercial brick building. It has a parking lot. I was absolutely floored when he told me it was a residential. So it's in my district. I don't think there will be any problems with it.
0:52:03 — open the recording at 52 minutes 3 secondsPaul Gibson (resident) The neighbors seem to like us. The one guy gets come by and talked to me twice now, so the neighbors seem to like it, as far as I know. We mow the yard. We take care of the weeds.
0:52:13 — open the recording at 52 minutes 13 secondsSpeaker 305 A lot of nice people, though, that probably would be having you work on their computers. That's a good neighbor.
0:52:19 — open the recording at 52 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 306 I yield.
0:52:21 — open the recording at 52 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 307 Mr. President. Council President.
0:52:23 — open the recording at 52 minutes 23 secondsTodd Nation (councillor) If there's no further discussion, I move for approval. Take action. I move to take action on Special Ordinance Number 10, 2026.
0:52:34 — open the recording at 52 minutes 34 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) Second. It's been moved by Councilperson Nation, seconded by Councilperson Chalos, that we take action on Special Ordinance 10-2026.
0:52:41 — open the recording at 52 minutes 41 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say nay. We may now take action on Special Ordinance 10-2026. Mr. President. Councilperson Nation.
0:52:49 — open the recording at 52 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 78 I move for approval of Special Ordinance 10-2026.
0:52:53 — open the recording at 52 minutes 53 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) Second.
0:52:53 — open the recording at 52 minutes 53 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) It's been moved by Councilperson Nation, seconded by Councilperson Chalos, that Special Ordinance 10-2026 be approved. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say nay.
0:53:02 — open the recording at 53 minutes 2 secondsSpeaker 10 Motion passes. Special Ordinance 10-2026 is approved. Next item.
0:53:09 — open the recording at 53 minutes 9 secondsSpeaker 98 (clerk) Resolution 11-2026. Transfer of $100,000 in the casino budget. Petitioner.
0:53:21 — open the recording at 53 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 317 I guess we get to deny this then if he left the building.
0:53:26 — open the recording at 53 minutes 26 secondsSpeaker 319 This is Seth Streets.
0:53:27 — open the recording at 53 minutes 27 secondsSpeaker 322 This is for demo. That's the purchase of vehicles for streets.
0:53:33 — open the recording at 53 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 323 From demo to streets.
0:53:36 — open the recording at 53 minutes 36 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) Okay, if we don't have a petitioner, we'll open for public comment. Is there anyone from the public who wishes to comment on Resolution 11-2026? I think that's it for.
0:53:46 — open the recording at 53 minutes 46 secondsSpeaker 326 What's it for?
0:53:47 — open the recording at 53 minutes 47 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) Hearing none. I think it's for the city.
0:53:51 — open the recording at 53 minutes 51 secondsSpeaker 327 Purchase a new truck for the street department.
0:53:53 — open the recording at 53 minutes 53 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) $100,000 from casino budget for the purchase of a new truck for the street department.
0:53:57 — open the recording at 53 minutes 57 secondsSpeaker 333 Good evening, Brian. Good evening. How are you guys doing?
0:54:05 — open the recording at 54 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 332 The reason we need a new truck, because the one we have is like a 2016.
0:54:10 — open the recording at 54 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 334 The engine blew up. So, yeah. So, basically, in this, with the truck that we're wanting to replace, if we don't replace, we're going to keep it short this winter in our snow-plying route. So we're doing the best we can with all of the broken down vehicles we have, but this will really help us out.
0:54:30 — open the recording at 54 minutes 30 secondsSpeaker 335 I was unprepared with this, but, yeah. If you've got any questions for me, I can answer.
0:54:36 — open the recording at 54 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 338 Yes. Council President Thompson.
0:54:38 — open the recording at 54 minutes 38 secondsSpeaker 337 Is it a new truck that you're going to be buying?
0:54:40 — open the recording at 54 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 338 Yes.
0:54:41 — open the recording at 54 minutes 41 secondsSpeaker 334 We're using a diesel program that will allow us to get a grant to be able to get a new truck.
0:54:49 — open the recording at 54 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 159 Okay, so the total cost of the vehicle is more than $100,000?
0:54:53 — open the recording at 54 minutes 53 secondsSpeaker 334 Yes.
0:54:54 — open the recording at 54 minutes 54 secondsSpeaker 159 Do you know about how much the total cost? I don't know.
0:54:56 — open the recording at 54 minutes 56 secondsSpeaker 341 Just eat them. I think we're looking at about $240,000, $260,000.
0:55:02 — open the recording at 55 minutes 2 secondsSpeaker 346 There's some upfitting that's going to be involved, but obviously this will not cover the entire cost.
0:55:06 — open the recording at 55 minutes 6 secondsSpeaker 348 (staff) The rest of it will come out of the street department budget, purchase of equipment. And the diesel grant. And then, yes, we also are, we will be surrendering this vehicle once we do the, you know, the kind of cash for clunkers sort of deal with it, drill a hole in the block. So we'll be submitting it for about $65,000, we're hoping, in reimbursement through the Diesel Wise grant. So happy to try to answer any other questions. But we are down a big truck that runs the plows. does all of the things that the street department needs to do it's actually still sitting there
0:55:48 — open the recording at 55 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 348 (staff) with a plow on the front of it and sand and salt just kind of spitting out the back end of it so yeah we really need to get this thing in our possession get it upfitted and get ready for
0:56:00 — open the recording at 56 minutesSpeaker 74 winter sorry to say yeah councilperson nation jesse this is the first i've heard of the diesel WISE grant. Can you tell us a little bit more about it, please? Well, Councilman Nation, if you
0:56:13 — open the recording at 56 minutes 13 secondsSpeaker 348 (staff) are familiar with what used to be just called, I think, colloquially, maybe, the cash for clunkers deal. So we surrender a vehicle and render it useless by drilling a hole in the engine block, cutting the chassis in half. We commit to purchasing a more efficient vehicle with less emissions, that sort of stuff. And as part of that, IDEM will reimburse us some portion of that cost.
0:56:48 — open the recording at 56 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 355 So this is a state program?
0:56:49 — open the recording at 56 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 348 (staff) It is.
0:56:50 — open the recording at 56 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 355 And is it a longstanding state program?
0:56:52 — open the recording at 56 minutes 52 secondsSpeaker 348 (staff) This is, I mean, obviously, this is my first go around with it, but if all goes well and we get the reimbursement that we're banking on, we would like to identify some other pieces of equipment that we can surrender and get the same sort of reimbursement. Because we do, like these vehicles, you know, 10 years for you and I, our personal vehicles may not seem like a lot, But these vehicles are driven at difficult times, difficult conditions, and they just get beat up. So we would like to take advantage of that. And I believe diesel-wise for 2026 is available and to be awarded in 2027.
0:57:38 — open the recording at 57 minutes 38 secondsSpeaker 348 (staff) So, yeah, we're going to apply again.
0:57:40 — open the recording at 57 minutes 40 secondsTodd Nation (councillor) Thanks for that explanation. If there's no further discussion, I move for approval of Resolution 11-2026.
0:57:49 — open the recording at 57 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 363 Second. If it moved by Councilperson Nation, seconded by Councilperson Loudermilk,
0:57:54 — open the recording at 57 minutes 54 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) that Resolution 11-2026 be approved. All those in favor say aye. Aye.
0:57:58 — open the recording at 57 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 366 Opposed say nay.
0:58:00 — open the recording at 58 minutesAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) The motion passes. Resolution 11-2026 is adopted.
0:58:04 — open the recording at 58 minutes 4 secondsAnthony J. Dinkel (chair) Just a note before we adjourn, there is no business next week, so we will not be meeting next week. With that said, I move to adjourn. Second. It's been moved by Councilperson Azar, seconded by Councilperson Loudermilk, that we adjourn. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed say nay. Terre Haute City Council stands adjourned.
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