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West Terre Haute Town CouncilAug 10, 2026

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West Terre Haute Town Council · Aug 10, 2026

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1. 0:00:00 — open the recording at 0 secondsSpeaker 1: Last thing we do is to the climate of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, and invisible, with liberty and justice for all.

2. 0:00:20 — open the recording at 20 secondsSpeaker 7: Okay, come to the border, roll call out.

3. 0:00:24 — open the recording at 24 secondsSpeaker 12: Joey, Travis, here, Kevin, here. uh jared here they appeared um

4. 0:00:33 — open the recording at 33 secondsSpeaker 13: let's see approval of the meeting minutes i need to make a motion to approve the meeting minutes from july 13th 2026

5. 0:00:48 — open the recording at 48 secondsSpeaker 14: I'm ready. I'm ready. I said it. All in favor? Aye. All right. Financial report. So the general fund, as of August. They got to speak up so we can hear back here.

6. 0:01:02 — open the recording at 1 minute 2 secondsSpeaker 17: As of the general fund, the August 7th day is $58,108.77 in the general fund. The town account for the bank has $876,274.82.

7. 0:01:18 — open the recording at 1 minute 18 secondsDave Elkins (chair): see i'll make a motion to approve to pay the vouchers

8. 0:01:25 — open the recording at 1 minute 25 secondsSpeaker 19: i second the motion all in favor

9. 0:01:28 — open the recording at 1 minute 28 seconds all right

10. 0:01:36 — open the recording at 1 minute 36 secondsSpeaker 26: okay new issues heavy insurance

11. Highlight · drawn from this moment: West Terre Haute council weighs a $113,000 upfront payment after its insurer wouldn't renew

    0:01:44 — open the recording at 1 minute 44 secondsSpeaker 31: just right up there

12. 0:01:48 — open the recording at 1 minute 48 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — surname uncertain, heard as "Vocal" (presenter): haven't met me. Her name is Whitney Vocal. I'm with Epic Insurance. I am so honored to hear your

13. 0:01:53 — open the recording at 1 minute 53 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): partner moving forward as Doug here was recently hired. So Doug's amazing and we're so thankful for his help previously as well as Hearson Trummel which is my partner on the account and we are

14. 0:02:06 — open the recording at 2 minutes 6 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — surname uncertain, heard as "Vocal" (presenter): so honored to move forward. Unfortunately this year we can't hear her. This year we had to remarket the city or the town's insurance because we were being non-renewed. So unfortunately that required a lot of effort and it put us in a place where we no longer are with the standard carrier that gives a package plan. So if you think about your homeowners insurance you typically have you know a state farm or a liquor mutual where you have your auto and your home and your umbrella all together on like one invoice. Since we were canceled and could no longer work

15. 0:02:42 — open the recording at 2 minutes 42 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — surname uncertain, heard as "Vocal" (presenter): with one carrier we had to piece all the lines together. So I'm honored that we were able to come up with something it's just a little bit more difficult than

16. 0:02:49 — open the recording at 2 minutes 49 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): it's been in the past so when we talk about the changes that we made I'm just gonna go with the biggest part the biggest part is that that we have to go surplus and excess so previously we were able to make payments on your premium

17. Highlight · drawn from this moment: West Terre Haute council weighs a $113,000 upfront payment after its insurer wouldn't renew

    0:03:02 — open the recording at 3 minutes 2 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — surname uncertain, heard as "Vocal" (presenter): throughout the whole year currently we have to make a large payment now so the insurance renewed on 8-1 which means that the funds should have been paid 8-1 but we have an extension till the end of the month and so what we need to decide is how we want to move forward with making an insurance payment on the front end when you're used to previously making payments along the way. So that's the biggest each situation for us right now and moving forward is we need approval from the board to front end the payment for insurance

18. 0:03:33 — open the recording at 3 minutes 33 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): for the year versus what we did previously which was piece it out monthly to monthly. The biggest difference really was the fact that the law enforcement liability and the public officials

19. 0:03:45 — open the recording at 3 minutes 45 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — surname uncertain, heard as "Vocal" (presenter): and the GNO all drastically increased because of certain situations that we're all privy to. I can't speak to them, but I can say that it's a very hard market regardless of whether we're dealing with certain situations like this the town is or if you're in another city in another town. It's the highest raising line of item because litigation is real and unfortunately

20. 0:04:07 — open the recording at 4 minutes 7 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): yeah it is what it is right. So we were able to piece those out but that takes like those two pieces are actually causing what front loaded the insurance and actually

21. 0:04:17 — open the recording at 4 minutes 17 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — surname uncertain, heard as "Vocal" (presenter): accounts for almost you know $50,000 of the annual insurance for the year which is quite substantial previously against the past numbers do you want me to go

22. 0:04:37 — open the recording at 4 minutes 37 secondsSpeaker 50: line by line of what's owed or what else changed? No, no, no. Just basically what we have to do to make this

23. 0:04:43 — open the recording at 4 minutes 43 secondsKevin (clerk-treasurer / town manager) — same speaker as speaker_412 (clerk): financially work. We talked about finances in a certain kind of way or we make a large chunk up front or we could divide some pieces up. Okay. But we have to do this this month. Right. So we were able

24. 0:04:55 — open the recording at 4 minutes 55 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — surname uncertain, heard as "Vocal" (presenter): to get an extension until the end of the month but I am I'm asking the board for approval for

25. Highlight · drawn from this moment: West Terre Haute council weighs a $113,000 upfront payment after its insurer wouldn't renew

    0:04:59 — open the recording at 4 minutes 59 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): we're at $157,000. And so we need to figure out how we can make that work. So whether we need to...

26. 0:05:05 — open the recording at 5 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 56: $157,000?

27. 0:05:06 — open the recording at 5 minutes 6 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): $157,000. $157,000. Actually, that's the wrong number. I'm sorry. It's $113,000 is what I'm requesting that I need now.

28. 0:05:15 — open the recording at 5 minutes 15 secondsSpeaker 61 (councillor): Okay. I have one question. How long did you know that we needed this much?

29. 0:05:20 — open the recording at 5 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 64 (councillor): How long have you known that we needed this?

30. 0:05:24 — open the recording at 5 minutes 24 secondsSpeaker 63: I found out we were going to have what we had the day that we discussed it on the 28th.

31. 0:05:29 — open the recording at 5 minutes 29 secondsSpeaker 57: maybe the 28th of what July so we sent everything out to market 100 days ago and we were declined

32. 0:05:39 — open the recording at 5 minutes 39 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): and we pieced together and we were working every deal we could until we literally sat down and I got one of my better clothes he said $20,000 on one of the line items by pushing pushing pushing and trying to do everything we can with all of our access which was great but not ideal obviously obviously. There's no part of any insurance agent that wants to bring bad news at the

33. 0:06:00 — open the recording at 6 minutesWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): last minute. There's no part of that. But I can tell you diligently we worked non-stop on this the last month trying to date as the best option in the most affordable means.

34. 0:06:09 — open the recording at 6 minutes 9 secondsSpeaker 61 (councillor): Okay. And that is just town. So you're saying that is our police department and the town

35. 0:06:14 — open the recording at 6 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 82: council bonds? That piece is your property, your equipment breakdown, your general liability,

36. 0:06:21 — open the recording at 6 minutes 21 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): your auto liability your public officials and law enforcement liability and I have a paper I can share with you. Okay. Yes, thank you.

37. 0:06:31 — open the recording at 6 minutes 31 secondsSpeaker 85: She also has a packet in her.

38. 0:06:33 — open the recording at 6 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 88: Oh, I didn't realize that that was well.

39. 0:06:35 — open the recording at 6 minutes 35 secondsSpeaker 89: Kevin, is this insurance that comes from our checks? No.

40. 0:06:40 — open the recording at 6 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 90: No, that's not it. Okay.

41. 0:06:43 — open the recording at 6 minutes 43 secondsSpeaker 89: Yes, I did.

42. 0:06:44 — open the recording at 6 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 94 (councillor): Yeah, okay.

43. 0:06:45 — open the recording at 6 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 93: We'll give you a paper.

44. 0:06:46 — open the recording at 6 minutes 46 secondsSpeaker 94 (councillor): So, yeah, because like I said, I would like to know like the bottom line, the total of which is coming out of town. And then we would have to break it up. The liability, what equipment is listed. And you know what I mean? Because our equipment goes with our wastewater, our water, and our town.

45. 0:07:07 — open the recording at 7 minutes 7 secondsSpeaker 64 (councillor): But I do know the majority of that is town. Correct.

46. 0:07:10 — open the recording at 7 minutes 10 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): And we did break all of that down. Okay. In a schedule that Kevin has. I only have one puppy that with me. She has it. She has it. Is this something you've seen before? No, it's a report that you did. Okay, so we took the time to break down each of the costs so that you guys can see where it is. The biggest issue really is just it's front-loaded. We were able to negotiate and piece it out well enough that our increase overall was like less than 27%, which is huge for a town, especially when you're being offered.

47. 0:07:39 — open the recording at 7 minutes 39 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): What we were expecting was I was going to come in today with a quote for over $200,000, and we thought that was going to be good. good so I know that that doesn't sound fun for you I know that's not ideal but

48. 0:07:51 — open the recording at 7 minutes 51 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): we were really really honored and thankful for what we've got for you and we put it together because the options were very very slim and so we really had to push with our carriers to get things done and they came through the

49. 0:08:02 — open the recording at 8 minutes 2 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): only sticker shock part is the front loading versus the monthly and we can

50. 0:08:08 — open the recording at 8 minutes 8 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): premium finance it so that is an option as well we can sign an agreement with

51. 0:08:12 — open the recording at 8 minutes 12 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): the premium finance company, which will divide it up into monthly payments. The only negative there is you do have to pay for finance charge.

52. 0:08:21 — open the recording at 8 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 107: Okay. We also have some of that. Yeah.

53. 0:08:24 — open the recording at 8 minutes 24 secondsSpeaker 64 (councillor): Yeah. Okay. So I was going to say, what is the finance charge versus, okay, so if we come up with $113,000 up front, then that covers us for the full year?

54. 0:08:34 — open the recording at 8 minutes 34 secondsSpeaker 112: That covers you until November and then again, February, and then again in May.

55. 0:08:39 — open the recording at 8 minutes 39 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): but then those those pieces are only $14,800 okay so we were able to get the package which is your auto your general liability your buildings to put on a normal policy that does quarterly payments the biggest piece is the do you know liability the law enforcement liability the excess those have to be paid in front so I mean the the pillar sheet if you guys look at it you'll see And then we write down exactly what is due now and which line is like for what, like the sewer, the water, the stream. And then you'll see, okay, well now we take, you know, 70% of it here.

56. 0:09:18 — open the recording at 9 minutes 18 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): We just have to do the remainder of the property on the court of the races.

57. 0:09:26 — open the recording at 9 minutes 26 secondsSpeaker 120: Kevin, do you know what they paid for a previous year for insurance comparatively what it's going to do?

58. 0:09:32 — open the recording at 9 minutes 32 secondsSpeaker 124: It has fluctuated. When I first started this job, I looked back and we paid as much as $224,000 for the year. So they're just doing a really, really good job of piecing it together for us. I just went for comparative purposes. Right, right.

59. 0:09:46 — open the recording at 9 minutes 46 secondsSpeaker 130: I was thinking the same thing.

60. 0:09:50 — open the recording at 9 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 131: They were on a carrier. They would have it all.

61. 0:09:54 — open the recording at 9 minutes 54 secondsSpeaker 132: I can provide last year's. Okay, so last year's expiring package without workers' comp was 123.

62. 0:10:07 — open the recording at 10 minutes 7 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): And this year's package, well, it's eight. The difference is that last year's package included the liability for law enforcement and the Jefferson officers. Everything was all with one carrier. So it's kind of like obsolete to compare this apple to this apple without me breaking it down. because if i say your package was this but then i tell you now the package costs less it looks

63. 0:10:30 — open the recording at 10 minutes 30 secondsSpeaker 61 (councillor): different right i understand but you know what we're talking 157 000 versus what what was it

64. 0:10:37 — open the recording at 10 minutes 37 secondsSpeaker 137: last year total i understand that you're not right it's different but yeah so that's what we want to compare 157 78 78 78 1 000 versus

65. 0:10:52 — open the recording at 10 minutes 52 secondsSpeaker 138: whenever we had that meeting didn't say it was like yeah 25 000 difference because of yes yes

66. 0:11:00 — open the recording at 11 minutesSpeaker 92: i mean it was less than yeah i thought it was 25 000. yeah so the routing up so so you're talking

67. 0:11:07 — open the recording at 11 minutes 7 secondsSpeaker 61 (councillor): 20 25 000 difference the only difference really is the payment plans yes is that what you're saying

68. Highlight · drawn from this moment: West Terre Haute council weighs a $113,000 upfront payment after its insurer wouldn't renew

    0:11:15 — open the recording at 11 minutes 15 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): i feel like i should have framed it a little bit better for you guys but the difference really is and what's driving it um oh yeah 123.37 was expiring package so we're moving to 157.781 and that's really because the town markets are are difficult we have very very few insurance carriers that want to work with towns a then b we have the fact that we could no longer be insured as a package so we had to piece things together but 34 000 i believe that's because

69. 0:11:44 — open the recording at 11 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 145: We have several outstanding claims.

70. 0:11:49 — open the recording at 11 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 146: Shouldn't it be a little bit cheaper since we don't have all the squawkers on the road and all those police officers?

71. 0:11:54 — open the recording at 11 minutes 54 secondsSpeaker 147: In theory, yes. But there's a lot of unknowns with outstanding litigations that kind of take a liability.

72. 0:12:06 — open the recording at 12 minutes 6 secondsSpeaker 47: And there's no details to them either, so there's not a whole lot we can work with.

73. 0:12:11 — open the recording at 12 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 61 (councillor): all find out about this now you know that's what i said you know what outcome when did we know when did we learn about this our insurance is due every time every year it was just the 28th it was just

74. 0:12:26 — open the recording at 12 minutes 26 secondsSpeaker 160: the 28th when we had a meeting and then i could have presented to you guys a month ago but my quote was over 210 000 yeah so i wasn't comfortable that's why we had her here not i wasn't comfortable

75. 0:12:38 — open the recording at 12 minutes 38 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): bringing that to you until I did everything and we exhausted every effort and that's where we were

76. 0:12:42 — open the recording at 12 minutes 42 secondsSpeaker 163: able to come in quite quite a bit cheaper. Whitney was the 210 just with one carrier?

77. 0:12:48 — open the recording at 12 minutes 48 seconds It was not one carrier. So that was

78. 0:13:08 — open the recording at 13 minutes 8 secondsSpeaker 170: equipment machines all that stuff had to be redone in order to even present it to her

79. 0:13:13 — open the recording at 13 minutes 13 secondsSpeaker 112: because we've been working this since a year stuff. I mean when did you repeat the first time to start this process? It's been a long time coming. Kevin, I wonder where were we notified about when they were not going to renew us?

80. 0:13:28 — open the recording at 13 minutes 28 secondsSpeaker 175: It just recently came about we got a letter from a couple of them saying yeah I think it was 60 days.

81. 0:13:33 — open the recording at 13 minutes 33 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — surname uncertain, heard as "Vocal" (presenter): But we, I mean, as the broker, we kind of assumed it was coming. There were two pieces.

82. 0:13:39 — open the recording at 13 minutes 39 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): One, because Tokyo Marine, which is the carrier, is actually getting all the towns that are this similar size. Not just you guys, there are also all several throughout the state. So we know that because we insured numerous. We're the largest insurance agency in the state of Indiana for municipalities. So we knew this could happen. And then when you add the outstanding claims and the information, it's still unknown, right? We kind of assumed it was going to happen. why we got Kevin to start working signering and why we kept working together any claims that's

83. 0:14:10 — open the recording at 14 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 183: before you's coming in the picture should be going against the insurance companies

84. 0:14:14 — open the recording at 14 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 185: it was in fact that is true okay that is true

85. 0:14:19 — open the recording at 14 minutes 19 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): but but um they're still outstanding and there's still not a lot of details so insurance carriers now are like oh what happened why where was this what is this it's just a fact of unknown right insurance is all about risk and it's how much risk you want to take and how much do they want to give and they're looking at past history and a lot of them were scared by it which is understandable i mean it's just like any other thing regardless of law enforcement or directors and officers if you have a big outstanding claim i mean you look at a property claim say we had a

86. 0:14:51 — open the recording at 14 minutes 51 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): huge tornado heaven forbid and you guys had a whole wipeout right even though that would only only apply to the current year we could get non renewed and then we have so many other carriers come back and say well they just had a large loss we don't want to insure them because it's a market I mean they're at the end of the day the insurance carriers are who gets to decide therefore they get to play with what they want to do some of them will look at a large loss and say hey it was a large loss it happens it's not gonna happen again and others were saying hey

87. 0:15:19 — open the recording at 15 minutes 19 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): that's actually West Air Hodes right in Windhill Alley and they could totally have the same thing happen tomorrow so it's all just it's a game of insurance and unfortunately we're kind of stuck in the middle right now with so much unknowns with the outstanding litigation but hopefully if we have we

88. 0:15:37 — open the recording at 15 minutes 37 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): can get those things cleared up and we can stay safe because like your property you guys haven't had any losses there's no GL losses there's not going to be

89. 0:15:44 — open the recording at 15 minutes 44 secondsWhitney (Epic Insurance) — same speaker as speaker_34 (presenter): auto loss overall your house great we just had some issues that we don't you

90. 0:15:49 — open the recording at 15 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 195: out how details for it may be a little difficult okay any other questions comments thank you i

91. 0:16:03 — open the recording at 16 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 57: appreciate it thank you well it's nice to meet you guys please let me know how we can help and what additional questions um you can provide okay next up is you can be reached at this this is

92. 0:16:19 — open the recording at 16 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 92: your email address if i have any more questions i can absolutely yeah if you have a car all right

93. 0:16:25 — open the recording at 16 minutes 25 secondsSpeaker 11: thank you of course thank you okay next up on our new issues is bigger till the uh susan gallon did

94. 0:16:33 — open the recording at 16 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 207: i say that right cow cow okay apologize for not getting this to kevin in time to get it in packets

95. 0:16:40 — open the recording at 16 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 211: This is mostly educational type stuff tonight.

96. 0:16:47 — open the recording at 16 minutes 47 secondsSpeaker 213 (councillor): And it's just Banker Tilly, you don't have no initials behind the Banker Tilly like a

97. 0:16:52 — open the recording at 16 minutes 52 secondsSpeaker 214: CPA or anything?

98. 0:16:54 — open the recording at 16 minutes 54 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): We are part of a nationwide CPA firm. We however are municipal advisors. I am a CPA but I operate as a municipal advisor as a CPA firm.

99. 0:17:07 — open the recording at 17 minutes 7 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): government does generally most municipal advisors are not necessarily cpas always i happen to be our my previous firm was always cpas so we do have that background but in this for budget work we do we're municipal we're called municipal advisors that which is an sec

100. 0:17:27 — open the recording at 17 minutes 27 secondsSpeaker 221: regulated and classed position we all have licenses that we have to keep up we don't test to become municipal advisors we understand municipal financing and debt how indiana budgeting and government works and that's why i'm here tonight to talk about the budget i know because

101. 0:17:43 — open the recording at 17 minutes 43 secondsSpeaker 61 (councillor): like i said before i know we need to be further along in the process than what we are right right yeah so we need and i and i hate that we are on the wire you know what i mean we have to push we have to push because i there's a there's a couple of things that i would like to you know of the success and see happen in our bed. Okay, sure.

102. Highlight · drawn from this moment: Baker Tilly advisor says West Terre Haute is about a month behind in its 2027 budget process

     0:18:01 — open the recording at 18 minutes 1 secondSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): Well, we have, the town has engaged with Baker Shelley to, first of all, help with budget services this year and also to prepare what is called a fiscal sustainability plan.

103. 0:18:13 — open the recording at 18 minutes 13 secondsSpeaker 228: We can't hear you.

104. 0:18:15 — open the recording at 18 minutes 15 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): I'm sorry. The shortfall of the Indiana budget process is that it only looks at one year at a time. Looks at the last six months of this year

105. 0:18:25 — open the recording at 18 minutes 25 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): and 12 months of next year. the fiscal sustainability plan that we provide gives a long-term look out to I think in your case we're going to 2031 to help you better judge the budget decisions that you're making this year and how they are impacting future years because you don't operate in a vacuum but what you have left at the end of this year can go to support next year and so on and so on and I think the discussion that you just had evidences the challenges that municipal governments face in Indiana. Whether it's insurance or whether it's a building or

106. 0:19:00 — open the recording at 19 minutesSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): whether it's anything, constantly you have demands on your revenues. You have a limited stream of revenues. You have the legislature putting bills in place that impact your revenues that you just have to adapt to. You can't necessarily

107. Highlight · drawn from this moment: Baker Tilly advisor says West Terre Haute is about a month behind in its 2027 budget process

     0:19:16 — open the recording at 19 minutes 16 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): work around, you have to learn to adapt. So in Indiana, July 1st through the end of October is budget season. You're about a month behind maybe here a little bit, but I want to give you some, Kevin thought, maybe some explanation of the budget process, how budgets work, how property tax works in Indiana might be helpful for you. I don't want to turn this into an hour and a half long class. I can talk eight hours about this. I'm not going to do that, but I want to give you some high points to help you understand your revenues and your responsibility as a town council when

108. 0:19:51 — open the recording at 19 minutes 51 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): you're making decisions and preparing your budget going forward. So as I mentioned, July through October budget process. Every unit in the state has to go through the budget process as it is prescribed by the Department of Local Government Finance. Whether you're a city, a town, a county, a library, a school, a fire district, a township, you have basically the same process that you have to go through. Your fiscal officer is responsible for preparing gateway forms online with what you're going to spend against what your anticipated revenues are for the year. You, through the

109. 0:20:30 — open the recording at 20 minutes 30 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): public hearing and adoption process, are then responsible for approving those what are called

110. 0:20:36 — open the recording at 20 minutes 36 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): appropriations or the ability to spend. Indiana requires appropriations. Just because you have the cash in your bank account does not mean that you can spend it. You have to either go through the budget process to appropriate or you do what's called an

111. 0:20:54 — open the recording at 20 minutes 54 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): additional appropriation. If something were to come up in the middle of the year that you weren't planning on, you need to go through a process where there's a public hearing, there's information that's entered on the DLGF website, you receive an approval from them to get that appropriation. You're the first level. The Department of Local Government Finance for some of your funds is the second and ultimate level of approval. They are more likely going to be looking at the process, so whether it's your budget or whether it's an additional appropriation, they're going

112. 0:21:23 — open the recording at 21 minutes 23 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): to look at the process to make sure you follow dates, to make sure you posted things online when you were supposed to. They are not judging what you're spending your money on. The only time they're going to say anything about what you're spending is if you spend a dollar more than you have to spend available and then your budgets get cut which i believe you've experienced in the past you have where revenues aren't sufficient for budgets and you come back on what's called the budget order and that budget has been cut for the incoming year so you cannot appropriate to spend

113. 0:21:56 — open the recording at 21 minutes 56 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): more than you have nor should you be spending cash without appropriations or spending your funds

114. 0:22:05 — open the recording at 22 minutes 5 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): into a negative balance the state board of accounts does not look kindly on negative balance funds especially those that go over multiple years so as the body the approving body for the town it is your responsibility as council to make sure that the rules are being followed in conjunction with your clerk treasurer that you are having budget hearing when you're supposed to you're having budget adoption if you're having budget work sessions that those are appropriately noticed so that there's no nobody's running afoul of the open door law

115. 0:22:40 — open the recording at 22 minutes 40 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): so you know as i said the budget results in a one-year financial plan the other piece that we're preparing to help you with is the long-term fiscal sustainability plan to help as a goal

116. 0:22:53 — open the recording at 22 minutes 53 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): maintain build and or maintain cash reserves um that can be helpful you know for example right

117. 0:22:59 — open the recording at 22 minutes 59 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): now you've got a large expense coming up if you don't have anything in reserve to cover that you're going to be pulling cash away from planned expenses for that was in your budget for last year

118. 0:23:11 — open the recording at 23 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 239: so looking long term long-term financial planning is also an important part of your role

119. 0:23:22 — open the recording at 23 minutes 22 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): so the main goal of the budget process is to other than your appropriations get the property tax that you are eligible for. The max levies were set a long time ago, back in the 70s, that every unit got a maximum levy. That has, over time, it's grown by very small increments, sometimes 2%, sometimes 3%, sometimes less than 2%. This year, it's actually 6% growth over last year in your max levy. That's the money that's going into your general fund to help support the expenses that you have to make from your general fund.

120. 0:24:06 — open the recording at 24 minutes 6 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): That 6% is based on a six-year rolling average of non-farm income. People often think it has to do

121. 0:24:14 — open the recording at 24 minutes 14 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): with tax property values. It's not. It's based upon wages. So you're increasing levy for property taxes based upon changes in wages so six percent this year is the maximum that amount can ever be

122. 0:24:30 — open the recording at 24 minutes 30 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): the last three years the state legislature capped it at four percent this year they did not there's another long-term budget session coming up next year we don't know if they'll cap it again or not that's just something we have to wait and see what they do but so that that levy is not determined by your population it's not determined by what you budgeted it's an it's an amount that you get separate from the budget decisions that you make but you have to follow the dlgf rules in order to receive that levy it's possible that you don't if you didn't submit a budget you can still get

123. 0:25:09 — open the recording at 25 minutes 9 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): the levy if you did all the dates right and you did the forms right ideally you don't want to do that because having to spend for a year of additional appropriations can be very cumbersome So in Indiana, property taxes are assessed on a per $100 of net assessed valuation.

124. 0:25:29 — open the recording at 25 minutes 29 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): So once we know what your levy is, the county assessor then turns in a number for the value of the property over which you have taxing authority. Now you're not the only unit that has taxing authority over the town of West Terre Haute. The county does, probably the township has some over a portion. have what's called a district tax rate so you as a taxing unit have your own tax rate based upon your levy in a given year and the assessed value of that year

125. 0:25:59 — open the recording at 25 minutes 59 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): and then your rate is combined with other rates to come up with the district rate that ends up on tax bills for your taxpayers in Indiana we also have something called circuit breaker tax credits we have a whole other range of tax credits that were put into place last year too. What those circuit breaker credits do, they were put into place in 2012, they limit the amount a tax bill

126. 0:26:27 — open the recording at 26 minutes 27 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): can be on a given home. So in the pack I gave you on this page at the top it says property tax caps. That gives the definition of the difference tax caps. So

127. 0:26:40 — open the recording at 26 minutes 40 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): the primary one being a residential home. That residential home if you filed your homestead deduction with the county auditor you get a homestead deduction you get a supplemental homestead deduction and the ending result from your tax bill cannot be more than one percent of the gross assessed value of your home so easy example if your home is worth one hundred thousand dollars the tax value not what you bought it for not what it's going to be sold for if the tax value is one hundred thousand dollars your tax bill will be at max one thousand dollars

128. 0:27:14 — open the recording at 27 minutes 14 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): with some certain exceptions that are that follow school referendum uh taxation if anything like

129. 0:27:22 — open the recording at 27 minutes 22 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): that's been voted into place and i i will apologize i didn't look to see whether you have in that life at here okay okay so if you know if you aren't you know if you've nothing nothing like

130. 0:27:32 — open the recording at 27 minutes 32 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): that you have a strict one percent on those your individual first homes the second classification we have are two percent properties those are agricultural properties and or rental homes second homes vacation homes and assisted living facilities those units pay a maximum of two percent so if you have a one hundred thousand dollars rental property again taxable value one hundred thousand dollars that maximum tax bill will be two thousand dollars and then for commercial industrial and anything else that doesn't fit into those first two really three percent so that means a hundred thousand dollar

131. 0:28:11 — open the recording at 28 minutes 11 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): commercial or business property the max tax bill would be three thousand dollars going forward I bring that up only because on the next page you have a fairly significant circuit breaker loss in the town of West area you do an

132. 0:28:26 — open the recording at 28 minutes 26 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): In Vigo County in general, you have high circuit breaker losses. So I've given you some historical information here.

133. 0:28:33 — open the recording at 28 minutes 33 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): For the past three years, or I'm sorry, since 2023, so it's actually about four years, what your max levy amount is that you can bring in, then the circuit breaker, and what your net levy is.

134. Highlight · drawn from this moment: Baker Tilly advisor says West Terre Haute is about a month behind in its 2027 budget process

     0:28:45 — open the recording at 28 minutes 45 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): So you lose between 32% and 36%. There were some new additional credits that were put in place this past year as part of SEA 1 that was enacted by our legislature last year. So now there is a new, in addition to the circuit breaker limits, there is also up to a $300 credit on every homestead home property. So it depends on the value of the home. Not everybody gets $300. It depends on the tax value. It depends on the tax bill amount. But that's why this number has jumped from 32, 33, 34 up to 36% in 2026. So as you are

135. 0:29:24 — open the recording at 29 minutes 24 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): talking about your budgets you you have to consider your circuit breaker loss and know what your circuit breaker loss is because if you just look at the DLGF form that says my max levy is going to be $857,000 and you plan your expenses based upon that that's not going to work because you're going to lose a fairly significant portion of that so that general levy is going to be impacted by

136. 0:29:48 — open the recording at 29 minutes 48 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): circuit breakers the next page shows example of why you have higher circuit breaker loss so this

137. 0:29:58 — open the recording at 29 minutes 58 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): is showing your assessed value since 2023 now vigo county has just released assessed values for this year and yours jumped fairly significantly there is an inverse relationship between assessed value and tax rate. So if your assessed value goes up to bring in the same or similar amount of revenue, your tax rate will go down. And conversely, if your tax A-B value drops, then that means your tax rate goes up. In general, once you get to a $3 district tax rate, almost every property is at the

138. 0:30:36 — open the recording at 30 minutes 36 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): tax caps so they those property owners are not paying which when you're a property under tax caps are great because you don't have to pay that amount it's it what happens to it just it doesn't

139. 0:30:47 — open the recording at 30 minutes 47 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): get paid it's calculated on the bill it's called circuit breaker loss and it gets divided up amongst

140. 0:30:52 — open the recording at 30 minutes 52 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): the units that have tax inventory so your individual town rate has been between a dollar 80 and a dollar 90 since 2023 as long as vigo county doesn't change that amount of a b that they put for you there this this jump up to 55 million dollars your tax rate will drop

141. 0:31:15 — open the recording at 31 minutes 15 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): to about a dollar and a half and when you look at your district rates what i just said about three dollars there the district rate for the town has been over well over four for quite a while So that drops the circuit breaker. Many homeowners don't see a change in their bill because once you're at the CAF, generally it shifts a small amount. It doesn't always change very much, but it decreases the loss that taxing units bring in. So I just want to draw that to your attention and kind of show you why you're experiencing.

142. 0:31:46 — open the recording at 31 minutes 46 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): And we see this in a lot of small towns or smaller communities across the state. time as businesses have left and or closed and the value of those buildings is no longer what they were previously and the ab is no longer what it was previously but your levy has continued to grow when that levy keeps growing and your ab isn't growing that means your tax rate's growing so that's where we're getting more circuit breaker impact i've given you roughly three pages there on the rolls that i've touched on the town council town manager and town clerk what their roles are in the budget before you what

143. 0:32:26 — open the recording at 32 minutes 26 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): will you play there I just started to think about budgets our standard advice is look at what your revenues are first plan your budgets based upon the revenues that you have because if you go the other way and you look at the expenses and you're going to you may not have enough revenues to cover all those expenses and if you continually spend into the cash reserve that you have at the end of the year eventually that goes away and you have no cash reserve as I was talking with Kevin before your main source of revenue in your general fund

144. 0:33:06 — open the recording at 33 minutes 6 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): is property tax you get it twice a year you get it in June you get it in December so if it every year in December you spent into those reserves you may be running short till you get your next by April or May you may be running short to be able to make payroll to be able to pay for service contracts or you know purchase vehicles or something if you need to so we recommend a 15 to 25% cash reserve goal being what you consider going forward when we get this fiscal sustainability plan put together I intend to come back with a given Kevin

145. 0:33:47 — open the recording at 33 minutes 47 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): some dates potentially that we could do that you want to have like an hour and a half work session talking to you about this fiscal sustainability plan how it works with your budgets I'm just trying to give you sort of a little jumping board here tonight to start thinking about budgets and start considering budgets so we all we call that zero based budgeting you don't just take last year's budget and add 3% and make that your budget this year you don't just say well I want to have this sort of puff in my budget so I'm gonna throw an extra

146. 0:34:19 — open the recording at 34 minutes 19 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): $10,000 in there so I might need it we really encourage you to work department heads to determine what feasible realistic budgets are based upon the constraints of the revenues that you have available because like as I mentioned you have a limited source of revenues the next page that looks like this kind of colorful flyers on it sort of says references where your revenues come from that main one being property tax you also get local income tax that is taxation on salary and wages so if someone works here and lives here in

147. 0:34:56 — open the recording at 34 minutes 56 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): West Terre Haute but maybe works over in Brazil or something their local income tax comes always comes back to the county that you live in conversely if somebody from brazil works over here theirs goes back to clay county with them then once it's collected based upon a rate that the county has put in place it's then divided up based upon your relative proportion of the share of levy of all levies in the county so if west terrejota is a town has eight percent of all of the levy when you look at the county when you look at all the townships when you look

148. 0:35:34 — open the recording at 35 minutes 34 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): at the other towns if you have eight percent of that you get roughly eight percent of the local income tax you get a check for that one every month but it's a smaller amount than your property tax usually yours is we'll show you that here in a few minutes you also get any fund that gets property tax also gets a portion of motor vehicle taxes so when citizens go pay for their license plates for their boats their cars their trucks it doesn't make it more the state has set fees but part of those fees are retained locally so if you get property tax you

149. 0:36:09 — open the recording at 36 minutes 9 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): get some vehicle excise taxes you also receive gas tax the motor vehicle highway

150. 0:36:14 — open the recording at 36 minutes 14 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): and local road street funds you which a gas tank is suspended so I do believe that yeah these fiscal the state fiscal and what they call them so legislative

151. 0:36:26 — open the recording at 36 minutes 26 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): committee has sent a reimbursement for the april and may shortfall so they're they have to meet again before they decide if they're going to cover the june july august shortfall so i'm off the top of my head i apologize i don't know how much you got for that so you received a portion for motor vehicle highway and you received a portion part of that 1.9 million dollar surplus that the state has they voted to use to cover that so because local units aren't the only ones that are experiencing shortfalls. State units are receiving it. State police are you know receive those

152. 0:37:00 — open the recording at 37 minutesSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): revenues. They have shortfalls now as well. So the state is making an effort to get you back to whole for those types of revenues. You may also receive riverboat wagering tax. You may receive cigarette alcoholic beverage taxes. Then you have other local receipts. Things like building permits or ordinance violation fees. Sometimes small towns don't have a lot of those kind of things. yeah because we don't have a support system okay okay um or if you may receive earnings on your interest on your bank a bank account if you have enough there so um those are generally covers for

153. 0:37:37 — open the recording at 37 minutes 37 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): your source of revenues again not terribly widespread nor terribly um not a lot at any point it's important too to understand whether your revenues when you're looking are recurring or non-recurring when we say recurring we mean things that you get reliably property tax local income tax the motor vehicle highway tax which although they mess with the amount you still are receiving it you're just receiving less than you would normally something that's non-recurring would be like an insurance reimbursement or maybe a one-time donation somebody gives the town money

154. 0:38:08 — open the recording at 38 minutes 8 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): to do something specifically in memory to someone maybe they used to work here or something like that that's considered non-recurring so you would not want to use non-recurring funds to fund

155. 0:38:18 — open the recording at 38 minutes 18 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): recurring expenses we need to match your recurring revenues to your recurring expenses as you're putting your money together

156. 0:38:28 — open the recording at 38 minutes 28 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): there are changes coming with local income tax just want to touch on those briefly i don't know if figo county is going through the process it's called a must a multi-unit

157. 0:38:37 — open the recording at 38 minutes 37 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): strategic task force um last year and this year both major changes were made to the structure of

158. 0:38:45 — open the recording at 38 minutes 45 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): lit whereas now i mentioned it's allocated based upon your relative share of all the levy in the county going forward it will be based on population you will be run there you will be involved yeah so you will be involved in the county-wide municipal lit that the county council will be responsible for adopting we honestly expect that that's going to change again next year We've learned two schemas, a new schema last year and a new schema this year, and we think as a result of these must meetings, there will likely be other changes going forward.

159. 0:39:19 — open the recording at 39 minutes 19 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): Somebody says they're trying to make it so towns of 1,000 and above can adopt their own lit. Whether that solves anybody's problems or not, that doesn't seem likely, but that's something that they were talking about. So there's new types of lit and new ways of distributing the lit than current. So the next page, page 20, looks like this. These are the revenue estimates that we have put together so far in the preparation of the Fiscal Sustainability Plan.

160. 0:39:47 — open the recording at 39 minutes 47 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): So as you start looking at your general fund budget, this is page 20, 29. I can't read it. My glass is 20. Sorry, it's 20.

161. Highlight · drawn from this moment: Baker Tilly advisor says West Terre Haute is about a month behind in its 2027 budget process

     0:39:58 — open the recording at 39 minutes 58 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): As you start looking at general fund expenditures, we've given a list there with the net property taxes. So property tax after circuit breaker, then those CVET and excise taxes, what you get from alcohol and cigarette tax, any earning on investments, licenses and permits, and then your lit certified shares. So you should not be looking at a general fund budget of more than about $778,000 incoming for next year. We look at your revenues on a yearly basis. So these are the revenues that we anticipate for next year. there's a possibility these could go up because the lit estimates are coming out

162. 0:40:35 — open the recording at 40 minutes 35 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): on the 15th so these estimates are based upon what you're receiving this year in 26 we expect there will be a new report from the DLGF with some new numbers so these may go up a little bit although they're probably not going to go up a lot we've given estimates here for your standard motor vehicle on highway unlimited fund or unrestricted fund the one that you can use for any road purpose there's also a local road street fund that when you can do anything regarding to roads you just can't pay people from it you have what's called an lc or law enforcement continuing

163. 0:41:09 — open the recording at 41 minutes 9 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): education fund has a small amount of revenue you have edit or economic development income tax that's part of lit currently you can use that for virtually anything you need to use it for but you can use it for people you can use it for computers you can use it for police cars it can be for whatever you need it for there's also lit public safety that would specifically fire and or police then you have mbh restricted mbh restricted cannot pay for people in any way shape or form unless you keep very very detailed books about linking employees to projects generally

164. 0:41:46 — open the recording at 41 minutes 46 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): you use this for like the match if you get a community crossings grant or if you are paying a third-party service provider to come in and repave an alleyway you would use this mbh restricted for that then you have what's called a cumulative capital improvement fund that is paid for by cigarette taxes collected in vego county each one of these funds each fund you have has a specific purpose so even if you look at your ending balance in your annual report from last year and it says you have eight hundred thousand dollars or that's not eight hundred thousand

165. 0:42:19 — open the recording at 42 minutes 19 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): dollars that can be spent on any function that you choose. When it gets put in a fund, that means in a bucket for a specific purpose. Now your general fund has a fairly broad purpose. You can anything you need to do, you pay for your general fund. You can't freely transfer money back and forth between funds. So if you run short in general, you can't transfer money to motor vehicle highway, you can make the expenditures out of motor vehicle highway or for motor vehicle highway from general if you've done the additional appropriation correctly but you can't just randomly move

166. 0:42:54 — open the recording at 42 minutes 54 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): money back and forth between funds the only thing you can is a rainy day fund and i apologize again

167. 0:42:58 — open the recording at 42 minutes 58 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): i can look to see if you have a rainy day fund we have one okay okay so if you ever got to the point that you wanted to make a transfer you can transfer money your rainy day um not sure i need

168. 0:43:12 — open the recording at 43 minutes 12 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): need to go through the rest of the system hit on the classifications illustration how budget expenses are put together additional appropriations transfers of appropriation the additional appropriation that's the thing i talked about if something doesn't get in the budget this year if you say okay we don't have the revenue but you get a lit supplemental distribution next year for twenty five thousand dollars okay we can go ahead and do what we needed to do that we left out of the budget last year but we need to do an additional appropriation so that's where you have another

169. 0:43:42 — open the recording at 43 minutes 42 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): public hearing at a town council meeting you approve the additional appropriation it gets entered on gateway DLGF approves it as long as you can

170. 0:43:58 — open the recording at 43 minutes 58 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): so this budget planning and long-term financial planning go hand-in-hand that is an important thing to do like I said since the budget is just going to look but one year at a time, establishing this fiscal sustainability plan gives you an idea of what decisions you're making this year look like down the road.

171. 0:44:19 — open the recording at 44 minutes 19 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): Maybe what you want to do this year is going to run a fund out of money in two years. If you're just relying on the standard angle of budget, you don't have that insight out into future years to determine what your financial health looks like based upon decisions that you would make this year. I realize you just threw a whole lot at you. Like I said, I want to come back and bring that fiscal sustainability plan. It was not done yet when I talked to Kevin, so I didn't want to rush it. I didn't want to risk not having a true representation of what I needed to show you.

172. 0:44:50 — open the recording at 44 minutes 50 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): So I would like to come back maybe after you started talking about your budget, looked at some things, figured out what you are going to fit into the revenues that we've discussed this year, what it looks like, what, if any, cash reserves you have. and where they are falling. So we recommend that to be like 15% to 25%. And when we say 15% to 25%, we mean up expenses in a given year. So if, for example, last year you spent $700,000

173. 0:45:18 — open the recording at 45 minutes 18 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): and your balance in the general fund at the end of the year was $700,000, you've got $700,000 left, that's not where you want to be.

174. 0:45:30 — open the recording at 45 minutes 30 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): You would want to be somewhere in that 70%, $70,000 range to really have a healthy cash reserve to help go into the next year. And it's not to say that you will never spend your cash reserves.

175. 0:45:43 — open the recording at 45 minutes 43 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): That's part of your decision as council. But as long as you are doing the planning and know what you need to know to see what your decisions are doing two, three, and four years down the road, that's the important part of putting your budget together.

176. 0:45:58 — open the recording at 45 minutes 58 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): Also, capital planning. lists of your capital structures, plan replacements, plan improvements, plan maintenance, a three to five year list of those things are very important for the long term financial plan and for the budget. There may be something that somebody has jotted on a post-it note that we need to do in three years, but nobody's really considering it right now. So you're not thinking about how could we work this into the budget in three years, it's just gonna pop up during budget in three years from now.

177. 0:46:29 — open the recording at 46 minutes 29 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly) — same speaker as speaker_215 (presenter): Whereas if we get a capital plan, we can put it in the fiscal sustainability plan. You know it's there. You know it's on the plan for it.

178. 0:46:39 — open the recording at 46 minutes 39 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): Any questions?

179. 0:46:42 — open the recording at 46 minutes 42 secondsSpeaker 212 (councillor): Are you local? Indianapolis. Okay. Because I know, like I said, we're in a time crunch here.

180. Highlight · drawn from this moment: Baker Tilly advisor says West Terre Haute is about a month behind in its 2027 budget process

     0:46:48 — open the recording at 46 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 213 (councillor): Our budget is due on the 28th, so we need to get started right away.

181. 0:46:54 — open the recording at 46 minutes 54 secondsSpeaker 307: So when can we set up the executive session with you to get everything jotted down?

182. 0:46:58 — open the recording at 46 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 247: Can you send them a list of dates Kevin?

183. 0:47:00 — open the recording at 47 minutesSpeaker 307: Yeah. Okay.

184. 0:47:02 — open the recording at 47 minutes 2 secondsSpeaker 247: We'll send them again. Okay. I've given Kevin a list of dates.

185. 0:47:05 — open the recording at 47 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 310: Most of them are with next week, following week. I have multiple possibilities.

186. 0:47:08 — open the recording at 47 minutes 8 secondsSpeaker 309: They were in 10 of their marks, so I can go ahead and put them on my calendar.

187. 0:47:11 — open the recording at 47 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 222: So I do believe the next one was the 20th at 6 o'clock, so we're only looking at then eight days. Those were options. I don't know which one you want to pick. I gave you options that I was available. The first one I thought was the 20th.

188. 0:47:24 — open the recording at 47 minutes 24 secondsSpeaker 64 (councillor): I didn't realize that there was options. and how many how many do we plan on half i mean i think we need to have more than one or two

189. 0:47:34 — open the recording at 47 minutes 34 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): i guess that depends on how much assistance you need if you need help talking to department heads to determine what makes sense where what they're asking for and how that works against revenues

190. 0:47:46 — open the recording at 47 minutes 46 secondsSpeaker 222: if we we have two departments we have our police department and our on our street department that come out of our town okay so yeah i mean if if you have a preliminary budget set up

191. 0:47:59 — open the recording at 47 minutes 59 secondsSpeaker 318: you can send that to me now if you've got anything started because i don't think so

192. 0:48:05 — open the recording at 48 minutes 5 secondsKevin (clerk-treasurer / town manager) — same speaker as speaker_412 (clerk): last year and work from there so we we can meet any time before you should you come back yeah

193. 0:48:12 — open the recording at 48 minutes 12 secondsSpeaker 323: as soon as possible like i said as soon as possible because like you know what i mean let's

194. 0:48:16 — open the recording at 48 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 318: let's jump in get it over right i don't want this hanging right so i mean next next week i have time i think next thursday okay i do that um i did have something come up i think in one of the time slots i gave you on wednesday potentially but i think thursday i could come back i gave some friday dates which i know may not your ideal um but but there are multiple dates i have available when i

195. 0:48:39 — open the recording at 48 minutes 39 secondsSpeaker 331: So next Thursday is the 20th. Right. And I thought it could.

196. 0:48:53 — open the recording at 48 minutes 53 secondsSpeaker 213 (councillor): So, you know what? I would like to block the 20th and then what the 24th, you know, I mean,

197. 0:49:11 — open the recording at 49 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 64 (councillor): I would like to block everything and cancel if not needed. Yeah, I can do the 20th at,

198. 0:49:21 — open the recording at 49 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 221: I think it's 430 because I have another meeting before that but I can't see this I can do the

199. 0:49:33 — open the recording at 49 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 318: 20th of the evening I could do the 21st in the afternoon I could do the 24th that one I believe

200. 0:49:44 — open the recording at 49 minutes 44 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): would be in the afternoon because I have an evening meeting in Sullivan County that night

201. 0:49:49 — open the recording at 49 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 222: but I could come over here for a couple hours. Okay, so we have the 20th at 430, the 21st at?

202. 0:49:56 — open the recording at 49 minutes 56 secondsSpeaker 206: That's one of two, two or after. I guess I have three or four, but for me, time to get over here.

203. 0:50:04 — open the recording at 50 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 213 (councillor): Okay, so you want to do three? That's fine with me. Okay, on the 21st at three? Sure. And then we have those, okay, so that's that Friday and then that Monday.

204. 0:50:14 — open the recording at 50 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 318: And then the following Monday, the 24th, that one I said was on the, that would be between

205. 0:50:26 — open the recording at 50 minutes 26 secondsSpeaker 107: 6 and 6.30. So we'll block those out. Yeah. Can we block those out with you there?

206. 0:50:31 — open the recording at 50 minutes 31 secondsSpeaker 355: Yeah.

207. 0:50:32 — open the recording at 50 minutes 32 secondsSpeaker 358: Okay. So what can you want them to walk away from knowing is in the ballpark, where does the budget look like for next year? It looks like a 7, 57?

208. 0:50:40 — open the recording at 50 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 361: Yeah, I think I said 7, 7 being roughly.

209. 0:50:43 — open the recording at 50 minutes 43 secondsSpeaker 363: So that's almost a hundred thousand dollars less than what we got.

210. 0:50:47 — open the recording at 50 minutes 47 secondsSusan (Baker Tilly municipal advisor) — surname unclear on introduction (presenter): Probably. And like I said, we don't have the final local income tax estimates. By the time the 20th, I should have those by then, so we have that firm up a little bit.

211. 0:50:58 — open the recording at 50 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 222: But yeah, you may have to plan for less than you have planned budget-wise. Okay, now let me ask you this. Do you think those three days are going to be enough?

212. 0:51:08 — open the recording at 51 minutes 8 secondsSpeaker 221: think so yeah okay I mean I do three days with a huge county okay so I don't think three days the reason that you are here is because State Board of

213. 0:51:24 — open the recording at 51 minutes 24 secondsSpeaker 374 (councillor): Council you know there's been a quite a few things that we didn't do right before and previous administration they want us to fix it so that's why you're here I I just wanted everybody to do that. Right. Yes.

214. 0:51:37 — open the recording at 51 minutes 37 secondsSpeaker 318: Right. That's what we do. We help units all over the state, whether they're in trouble or not. So, yeah, definitely glad to help out as much as I can. But yeah, so then I plan to be back next Tuesday, or next Thursday.

215. 0:51:48 — open the recording at 51 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 107: Sorry, the 20th. Yep, Thursday, the 20th. Okay, thank you.

216. 0:51:51 — open the recording at 51 minutes 51 secondsSpeaker 382: Is there any other questions you've heard from anybody? Thank you. I appreciate you.

217. 0:51:57 — open the recording at 51 minutes 57 secondsSpeaker 383: You're very welcome.

218. 0:51:58 — open the recording at 51 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 201: Sorry, I took chills from you. Okay.

219. Highlight · drawn from this moment: West Terre Haute may owe up to $30,000 for police vests if a matching grant doesn't grow

     0:52:02 — open the recording at 52 minutes 2 secondsKevin (clerk-treasurer / town manager) — same speaker as speaker_412 (clerk): Please protect the vests. Yeah, always not fluff this up on the agenda was that we already have acquired the best. There's an invoice in your packet around $3,700 approximately. There was a grant working and a commitment to working in progress to kind of help with that cost. But now I think it's about $5,000 in change. We're working on getting that increased. So I just want to make you guys aware that we are on the hook for $30,000, but we're working our way towards a full grant, but it's not getting on.

220. 0:52:34 — open the recording at 52 minutes 34 secondsSpeaker 389: okay thank you open issues go ahead jeff we're going to do the police the street

221. 0:52:42 — open the recording at 52 minutes 42 secondsSpeaker 390: where we do open issues unless it's open issues and it says police department report i would just

222. 0:52:48 — open the recording at 52 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 392: go on after this yeah yeah go ahead police department for july we had 297 calls for service

223. 0:52:56 — open the recording at 52 minutes 56 secondsSpeaker 393: for the month which put us at just over 2700 for the year we took 37 criminal case reports made 20 Issued 21 citations, the division applied for 5 warrants in July. The majority of those were all executed within about 24 hours. And then reserve hours, we had a total of 565 reserve hours. The 3 reserve trainees had 85 and a half hours for a total of 650.5 hours for a month of July reserve. And then we also this month we had the last session of the junior police academy, the wonder Wilson. We sent representatives for the whole week to that. And then we helped with the.

224. 0:53:40 — open the recording at 53 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 395: Back to school program, obviously at the community center for the kids, we made a small donation to them and went up there and worked out also. Thank you. No problem.

225. 0:53:50 — open the recording at 53 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 387: Okay, street department staff.

226. 0:53:53 — open the recording at 53 minutes 53 secondsDave Elkins (chair): I should have had you come up here. I know, but I should have. From now on Jeff, you have to go up there. Thank you.

227. 0:54:08 — open the recording at 54 minutes 8 secondsSpeaker 400: Can we start next meeting?

228. 0:54:10 — open the recording at 54 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 401: Next meeting, go ahead.

229. 0:54:12 — open the recording at 54 minutes 12 secondsSpeaker 400: Take that brush. Mode, we did water testing. Jeremy and I cleaned out the quill because it was clogged. help do manual reads. Tommy and I started cutting some overhanging limbs. And I started cleaning up the shop for the inspection.

230. 0:54:33 — open the recording at 54 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 212 (councillor): How did your inspection go? I know MS4 was here, am I correct? Or is that? That's next month.

231. 0:54:39 — open the recording at 54 minutes 39 secondsSpeaker 371: That's next month, okay, I forget. Thank you, sorry about that.

232. 0:54:43 — open the recording at 54 minutes 43 secondsSpeaker 405: Okay, Tommy, you're here tonight. So, I'll make a motion to adjourn the town meeting.

233. 0:54:49 — open the recording at 54 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 406: I'll second you.

234. 0:54:51 — open the recording at 54 minutes 51 secondsSpeaker 405: All in favor. Okay.

235. 0:54:55 — open the recording at 54 minutes 55 secondsDave Elkins (chair): Okay, call to board the Water Works meeting. I need a motion to approve the meeting minutes for July 13th. Regular council meeting.

236. 0:55:07 — open the recording at 55 minutes 7 secondsSpeaker 407: All in favor.

237. 0:55:09 — open the recording at 55 minutes 9 secondsSpeaker 408: All right. Financial report.

238. 0:55:13 — open the recording at 55 minutes 13 secondsSpeaker 17: water account has three hundred twelve thousand one four hours and sixty one cents in the in the water bank account for vacant account has eight hundred

239. 0:55:22 — open the recording at 55 minutes 22 secondsKevin (clerk-treasurer / town manager) (clerk): fifteen thousand nine hundred sixty six dollars and thirty two cents that's some

240. 0:55:27 — open the recording at 55 minutes 27 secondsSpeaker 170: of that is for settlement for people I also got a question because I know at

241. 0:55:40 — open the recording at 55 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 213 (councillor): At the end of last year, we didn't have any reserve, and that is part of our bond issue that we needed to have a reserve fund and a portion of every month needed to go into that fund. Do we have, what is the amount of that?

242. 0:55:59 — open the recording at 55 minutes 59 secondsKevin (clerk-treasurer / town manager) — same speaker as speaker_412 (clerk): So, that was coming to July. See, we were behind when I first started job with a final fund, which is a couple of years I think by July we had the 140,000

243. 0:56:09 — open the recording at 56 minutes 9 secondsSpeaker 419: which is the maximum amount required that we served.

244. 0:56:15 — open the recording at 56 minutes 15 secondsSpeaker 421: Don't quote me on that, but I think that's correct. We're right there, but we're still making small incremental payments.

245. 0:56:21 — open the recording at 56 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 94 (councillor): And that amount is coming out of that first financial bank, that amount there, or a quarter account?

246. 0:56:30 — open the recording at 56 minutes 30 secondsSpeaker 124: That encompasses all the money that all the funds have. the allocation that we are saying we're putting aside for debt reserves to make a final payment

247. 0:56:38 — open the recording at 56 minutes 38 secondsKevin (clerk-treasurer / town manager) (clerk): in the last year there's also one not mentioned just now is where we do the repair maintenance so we're also required by those same things same loans to have money put back to repair maintenance

248. 0:56:50 — open the recording at 56 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 170: on those same uh investments so we have to have that forward in my school

249. 0:56:54 — open the recording at 56 minutes 54 secondsDave Elkins (chair): I make a motion to approve the pay to pay the vouchers.

250. 0:57:03 — open the recording at 57 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 428: I'll second motion.

251. 0:57:05 — open the recording at 57 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 13: All in favor. It says new issue. Go ahead, Kevin.

252. Highlight · drawn from this moment: West Terre Haute tables a $2-an-hour raise for a waterworks employee until the budget is set

     0:57:13 — open the recording at 57 minutes 13 secondsKevin (clerk-treasurer / town manager) (clerk): So we're presenting an opportunity today for the council to review Bill Lewis's promotion for for Louis, Bill Lewis, I'm going to pay. Right now he's currently making $21 an hour. It is up to the council whether they wish to increase that this time

253. 0:57:29 — open the recording at 57 minutes 29 secondsSpeaker 433: or look into the budget.

254. Highlight · drawn from this moment: West Terre Haute tables a $2-an-hour raise for a waterworks employee until the budget is set

     0:57:32 — open the recording at 57 minutes 32 secondsSpeaker 374 (councillor): I would like to raise $2 because Bill is doing, I know Jeremy's doing a lot, but Bill is doing a lot since Caden left

255. 0:57:44 — open the recording at 57 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 390: and he's still getting her down and doing a lot. So I would like to raise it to $23.

256. Highlight · drawn from this moment: West Terre Haute tables a $2-an-hour raise for a waterworks employee until the budget is set

     0:57:50 — open the recording at 57 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 94 (councillor): I would like to table that and why can't we just do our budget and then because you know and I agree Bill is doing and Bill does does deserve but I do believe we need to do our budget first before and we see where we're at financially before we but that's well that's what I say well that was

257. 0:58:15 — open the recording at 58 minutes 15 secondsSpeaker 437: that's for the town budget we're going to be done this is for the waterworks like i said and we don't

258. 0:58:20 — open the recording at 58 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 438: okay i'm

259. 0:58:24 — open the recording at 58 minutes 24 secondsSpeaker 443: that's what i'm saying i think we should probably look at our legends

260. 0:58:32 — open the recording at 58 minutes 32 secondsSpeaker 382: so we're going to table it to the next till the next month

261. Highlight · drawn from this moment: West Terre Haute tables a $2-an-hour raise for a waterworks employee until the budget is set

     0:58:35 — open the recording at 58 minutes 35 secondsSpeaker 445: i need a motion to table to the next month i'll second the motion all in favor all right

262. 0:58:45 — open the recording at 58 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 446: the next one too.

263. 0:58:47 — open the recording at 58 minutes 47 secondsKevin (clerk-treasurer / town manager) (clerk): Yeah, give me a go. Give me a time. Okay. The other thing that was kind of in this conversation was the water set that provides water at a quarter and 50 cents at a time. We're talking about going through a bidding process and replacing all that stuff. But I just wanted to put it in the agenda today for the town council to think about that.

264. 0:59:08 — open the recording at 59 minutes 8 secondsSpeaker 447: What did you say? What was it? I can't hear you.

265. 0:59:10 — open the recording at 59 minutes 10 secondsKevin (clerk-treasurer / town manager) — same speaker as speaker_412 (clerk): Yeah, we're going to the town council consider making the investment to update upgrade all of our cell units outside the building here.

266. 0:59:20 — open the recording at 59 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 374 (councillor): Oh the tank water. Yeah because we had Sycamore come in and they fixed it and then it broke again.

267. 0:59:27 — open the recording at 59 minutes 27 secondsSpeaker 453: Yeah not even they replaced new parts of their thing and then

268. 0:59:32 — open the recording at 59 minutes 32 secondsSpeaker 71: we paid Sycamore for that simple it's just a wire the quarter fastens that in it. No there was a new

269. 0:59:40 — open the recording at 59 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 455 (staff): mechanisms he put in. They had to replace the whole mechanism inside because what's happening

270. 0:59:45 — open the recording at 59 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 457: is people are putting what we call back quarters in the machine and it goms it up and when it gets stuck they start beating on it. When they did this time they knocked the whole monitoring system out of the water. So they had to replace it. They had to rebuild it. We have extra parts there to rebuild the waterman and within two hours of fixing the waterman they've broken again it needs to be

271. 1:00:12 — open the recording at 1 hour 12 secondsSpeaker 94 (councillor): updated to credit card cash and coin we ended up going to um i want to say heidi jay's but it's not

272. 1:00:25 — open the recording at 1 hour 25 secondsSpeaker 438: IDJ's that billiards place up there on Lafayette you know what I'm talking

273. 1:00:34 — open the recording at 1 hour 34 secondsSpeaker 466 (staff): about I understand what you're saying but this system is they're pretty in monitoring for a system it's gonna it's been a monitor inside the building and

274. 1:00:44 — open the recording at 1 hour 44 secondsSpeaker 455 (staff): send her credit cards near things gonna send it to the bank we don't have to mess with that part of us that's our biggest issue because not even people out here now are using want to use debit card now there's a surcharge on you using debit card there's a percentage but indiana american water right now is strictly card only no cash and they charge three percent they charge a three percent fee on top of the card so if we put the waterman where we have our accept credit card for debit and have cash options there with it which the

275. 1:01:19 — open the recording at 1 hour 1 minute 19 secondsSpeaker 466 (staff): equipment today is a lot more advanced than 1985 model. I mean it's money, I mean we're not gonna make our money back on that for at least 10 to 15 years. Where does the 3% charge go to?

276. 1:01:41 — open the recording at 1 hour 1 minute 41 secondsSpeaker 473: The bag. Is that illegal? I thought that was illegal. No. It's just like when you go to a restaurant. I think you have to post it.

277. 1:01:49 — open the recording at 1 hour 1 minute 49 secondsSpeaker 309: You have to make it. Yeah, you have to post a quick sign up there. That's 3%.

278. 1:01:53 — open the recording at 1 hour 1 minute 53 secondsSpeaker 466 (staff): But I mean, I get, okay, I don't say anything to anyone being on Waterside. Jeremy probably does the same. He's dealt with the Waterman in the past with his previous business. I get at least 10 to 15 questions about that Waterman every weekend when it's down. Why can't I come up and fix it? I am not authorized.

279. 1:02:16 — open the recording at 1 hour 2 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 484: We have one key holder. One key holder.

280. 1:02:19 — open the recording at 1 hour 2 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 466 (staff): Yeah, one key holder to get to it. I can't do it. And it is just, I can't come up here at 9 o'clock at night, 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock at night and turn this waterman off for someone. We need more than just one option.

281. 1:02:33 — open the recording at 1 hour 2 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 476: But you guys have got to look into, because like Indian American, a lot of you guys are getting a lot of people from Terrell coming over here because you guys are the cheapest.

282. 1:02:41 — open the recording at 1 hour 2 minutes 41 secondsSpeaker 489: We're cheaper. You guys are the cheapest. We're probably. There's so many people complaining about it.

283. 1:02:45 — open the recording at 1 hour 2 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 490: average fill were probably $250 to $3 cheaper than what Indiana American water is.

284. 1:02:50 — open the recording at 1 hour 2 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 476: Because a lot of people complained about going to Terre Haute because of that. Like 450 gallons is almost six bucks over there. It's a dollar 50 here.

285. 1:03:00 — open the recording at 1 hour 3 minutesSpeaker 489: So if we put that in, we'd have to raise our rates. You have to raise them.

286. 1:03:03 — open the recording at 1 hour 3 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 491: You have to raise our rates, but we can still raise our rates and still be cheaper than Indiana American water with this system.

287. 1:03:09 — open the recording at 1 hour 3 minutes 9 secondsSpeaker 374 (councillor): So let's look into it and then let's put this table any questions or comments or anything until September.

288. 1:03:19 — open the recording at 1 hour 3 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 390: Check with the guy who does all the great studies or whatever just to make sure that there's nothing to...

289. 1:03:26 — open the recording at 1 hour 3 minutes 26 secondsSpeaker 392: Yeah, that's not an issue over here.

290. 1:03:29 — open the recording at 1 hour 3 minutes 29 secondsSpeaker 493: Client Peter. Yeah, Client Peter, yep.

291. 1:03:33 — open the recording at 1 hour 3 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 390: So we can put that on for next month. Okay?

292. 1:03:36 — open the recording at 1 hour 3 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 445: Yep.

293. 1:03:37 — open the recording at 1 hour 3 minutes 37 secondsSpeaker 494: Let's see. Riley Duffy's up. Yep. Riley Duffy.

294. Highlight · drawn from this moment: West Terre Haute residents with old water pipes will get mandatory inspection notices this year

     1:03:45 — open the recording at 1 hour 3 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 496: So, let me pass that. These are just general kind of example letters.

295. 1:03:57 — open the recording at 1 hour 3 minutes 57 secondsRiley Duffy (presenter): So, at the previous meeting, I had spoken about The grant money that SRF has offered, they've finalized all the contracts, they've actually increased the amount from $30,000 to $40,000, such as grant money. We've started to assemble all the notification letters that you're required to send out annually. We should be sending out the first round this week with the sign-up forms for inspections. Once we start getting kind of a backlog of inspections and requests, we'll start sending people out to do those inspections.

296. 1:04:36 — open the recording at 1 hour 4 minutes 36 secondsRiley Duffy (presenter): For the general public, if you do get a letter and you get an inspection form, you would just kind of scan the form and call by EI. We'll swing by, we'll do an interior inspection, just notify and just check what your material is so it can be updated. If it's galvanized or if it's lead or if it's whatever the material may be, we can update it in the actual inventory. This is a part of the EPA's requirements to verify your service line, what materials they are on both your utility side and the customer side. Yes?

297. 1:05:12 — open the recording at 1 hour 5 minutes 12 secondsSpeaker 491: Being on the water side, when does this have to be done on our part? To let the people know.

298. 1:05:19 — open the recording at 1 hour 5 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 502: To let people know? Yes. So for as long as you have any lead or unknown

299. Highlight · drawn from this moment: West Terre Haute residents with old water pipes will get mandatory inspection notices this year

     1:05:24 — open the recording at 1 hour 5 minutes 24 secondsRiley Duffy (presenter): service lines or galvanized lines in your system you have to notify them every year by the end of the year and every year as part of that you have to submit a verification and two items stating that you fulfill the requirements and how many people who sent letters to of each time okay

300. 1:05:41 — open the recording at 1 hour 5 minutes 41 secondsSpeaker 491: uh when does this when does this start when does this when does this implement start that you're that you're presenting us because as only two water guys we're i know we're budgeting for a certain

301. 1:05:53 — open the recording at 1 hour 5 minutes 53 secondsSpeaker 455 (staff): amount okay are you talking the lead yes oh it's been let three years i know the north i know the north end's already been done we have the south end i know 30 or 40 thousand dollars is not going to cover a lot of services yes so and then it's going to rely on us but when do we when is our cutoff date to where we have to know what we have to have all these done because i as

302. 1:06:19 — open the recording at 1 hour 6 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 212 (councillor): We're just doing the north end, I do believe. We're not even doing the south end. The north is already been done. Well, then you're done because the north end is the oldest part of our water system.

303. 1:06:30 — open the recording at 1 hour 6 minutes 30 secondsSpeaker 475: Right, but we still have copper lines in the south end. We do have... But the grant only covered the north end.

304. 1:06:39 — open the recording at 1 hour 6 minutes 39 secondsRiley Duffy (presenter): No. So the grant covered any part of town. The focus was going to be on the southern portion of town because of how densely populated it is. It's also just based on how many responses we're going to get. Also, the focus is going to be on interior inspections because your interior inspections are on customer side. Utility side, based on how the EPA requires verification to be done, is two points on both sides.

305. Highlight · drawn from this moment: West Terre Haute residents with old water pipes will get mandatory inspection notices this year

     1:07:07 — open the recording at 1 hour 7 minutes 7 secondsRiley Duffy — same speaker as speaker_499 (presenter): So I have to see it at the pit, and I have to see it somewhere along between the main and service.

306. 1:07:12 — open the recording at 1 hour 7 minutes 12 secondsSpeaker 455 (staff): So can we take our vac truck and if we know where the line's going from our pit to the house instead of going into the homes? Because I'm telling you, I can't handle a lot of things and there are some gross things in this town in homes. And I do not want to subject me or him or if Stephanie goes out to this environment. Is there any way that we can avoid doing that part of it?

307. 1:07:53 — open the recording at 1 hour 7 minutes 53 secondsSpeaker 490: Going in and verifying this. I don't feel like crawling in any homes in the specs.

308. 1:07:57 — open the recording at 1 hour 7 minutes 57 secondsRiley Duffy (presenter): So as of right now, it's fiscal verification. There's some ideas tossed around, kind of been approved by EPA for use.

309. 1:08:09 — open the recording at 1 hour 8 minutes 9 secondsRiley Duffy — same speaker as speaker_499 (presenter): There were interior scoping where you could actually detect the inside, but they haven't been fully approved. And if you do that, you also have to provide a filter to the homeowner because you're disturbing their life by doing that sort of investigation. But even that's not proof.

310. 1:08:25 — open the recording at 1 hour 8 minutes 25 secondsSpeaker 525: So the best route is observing the pit and then interior, wherever it goes into the house, get eyes on the pit, whether it's in a crawl space, inside the home, however. but the major part is that it's verification on customer side service and then verification on utility side service they're considered as two different parts unfortunately

311. 1:08:49 — open the recording at 1 hour 8 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 533: wouldn't the customer side of the pit tell you what kind of pipe is running into the house

312. 1:08:55 — open the recording at 1 hour 8 minutes 55 secondsSpeaker 511: you can get they can have a leak at any place any given time throughout that system they can and we not know about it they can go in go down and change it they could it it could come off copper as soon as it comes out of the pit, they can put plastic up to it or plastic into their home.

313. 1:09:11 — open the recording at 1 hour 9 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 455 (staff): Or if they have galvanized inside their home and they spring a leak outside, they can go in and splice it back together, splice it back with plastic. That's what, I mean, it's an unknown.

314. 1:09:25 — open the recording at 1 hour 9 minutes 25 secondsSpeaker 536: We have to physically verify that part of it.

315. 1:09:28 — open the recording at 1 hour 9 minutes 28 secondsRiley Duffy — same speaker as speaker_499 (presenter): So, we have to report two for, again, the EPA's requirements, it's two points of verification

316. 1:09:35 — open the recording at 1 hour 9 minutes 35 secondsRiley Duffy (presenter): on both sides so you can see that the pit but i have to see it at one more spot to know exactly how to label it so if i see that it's copper inside the pit but it's galvanized inside the home

317. 1:09:48 — open the recording at 1 hour 9 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 525: epa requires us to label those gallons so that's kind of how that verification process goes so as much as i'd love to just you can just pop all the pits and be done it's still

318. 1:09:59 — open the recording at 1 hour 9 minutes 59 secondsSpeaker 538: So what is it supposed to be? What is it supposed to do?

319. 1:10:08 — open the recording at 1 hour 10 minutes 8 secondsSpeaker 511: Yeah. Anything but lead, doffer, galvanize. They can be the PVC, which has got to be CTS, which is a thicker, heavier pipe that runs into the home. CTS is something that us water people use. It's a thicker, heavier duty pipe and it prevents us from having a lot of leaks.

320. 1:10:29 — open the recording at 1 hour 10 minutes 29 secondsRiley Duffy — same speaker as speaker_499 (presenter): There's a lot of packs sometimes.

321. 1:10:31 — open the recording at 1 hour 10 minutes 31 secondsSpeaker 455 (staff): I don't like packs running in the ground because of the constant shifting. You have rocks. Packs is soft compared to CTS pipe. Packs is designed to expand and contract.

322. 1:10:45 — open the recording at 1 hour 10 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 546: Look at my lights.

323. 1:10:47 — open the recording at 1 hour 10 minutes 47 secondsSpeaker 548: Anybody else?

324. 1:10:50 — open the recording at 1 hour 10 minutes 50 secondsRiley Duffy (presenter): But the letters provided to you, it's all that needs to happen. It just needs to be signed.

325. 1:10:57 — open the recording at 1 hour 10 minutes 57 secondsSpeaker 525: It will be what is sent out to homeowners each day.

326. 1:11:02 — open the recording at 1 hour 11 minutes 2 secondsRiley Duffy (presenter): And if you have any other inspections, please sign up. It won't be me. It will be Isaac will be out here. He'll be doing all the inspections. If you have questions or you just want to talk to them to kind of see what the process is like, Are you going to get him here?

327. 1:11:20 — open the recording at 1 hour 11 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 423: This phone number is going to be out there, so please call him. I'll be happy to assist you. I'll just go with whatever he says. All right. I only have one other thing about it. I have spoken on DBOPS previously.

328. 1:11:37 — open the recording at 1 hour 11 minutes 37 secondsRiley Duffy (presenter): I gave it to Kevin, but that is the fully assembled preliminary alternative analysis for report. It has all the data for all the sampling that we've done.

329. 1:11:52 — open the recording at 1 hour 11 minutes 52 secondsSpeaker 525: The last thing I presented on was technical numbers, which was not all of the data.

330. 1:11:57 — open the recording at 1 hour 11 minutes 57 secondsRiley Duffy — same speaker as speaker_499 (presenter): This includes all the sampling data. Based on those results, there would still be possible limits for all the remaining sampling periods. So the next steps, which I've already submitted a copy of Kevin on the email today.

331. 1:12:13 — open the recording at 1 hour 12 minutes 13 secondsRiley Duffy (presenter): this was submitted to SRF. So they'll go through a short review process to essentially give us the go ahead for the next step, which in this case would be pilot testing.

332. 1:12:24 — open the recording at 1 hour 12 minutes 24 secondsRiley Duffy — same speaker as speaker_499 (presenter): So that would be a small, smallish, small amount of ground water treatment unit. We will test multiple medias and with those medias we'll determine which is the most efficient to use of your plan, which is the best suit you would. Again, this is all still with the grant funds, so it's at no cost to the count. And on top of that, there's also a PPR that could be someone who's part of the cost at the end of all of this. So that cost is also cut, because there's no way we have to figure it out, and there's way without notice per report. That's what we've done.

333. 1:13:00 — open the recording at 1 hour 13 minutesSpeaker 525: Um, ultimately, I can't make any promises on this, but I have been talking with regulatory

334. 1:13:06 — open the recording at 1 hour 13 minutes 6 secondsRiley Duffy (presenter): agencies as well as SRF about the pilot testing itself. West Arrow might be an interesting case where you may not need the pilot test weekly.

335. 1:13:16 — open the recording at 1 hour 13 minutes 16 seconds So we might be able to shorten that up and use those costs to go straight into design.

336. 1:13:22 — open the recording at 1 hour 13 minutes 22 secondsRiley Duffy — same speaker as speaker_499 (presenter): So a more efficient piece of funds rather than weight to go through all the pilot testing. I'm still waiting on verification, but it's looking like a potential test rather than waiting for 9 to 12 months to venture out of this area.

337. 1:13:38 — open the recording at 1 hour 13 minutes 38 seconds Great, thank you.

338. 1:13:39 — open the recording at 1 hour 13 minutes 39 secondsSpeaker 387: Alright, that's all I got today.

339. 1:13:41 — open the recording at 1 hour 13 minutes 41 secondsSpeaker 569: Alright, thank you so much. Thank you. You're hitting open issues.

340. 1:13:46 — open the recording at 1 hour 13 minutes 46 secondsSpeaker 570: Okay, I need a motion to close the waterworks meeting.

341. 1:13:51 — open the recording at 1 hour 13 minutes 51 secondsSpeaker 572: I'll stay in the room.

342. 1:13:53 — open the recording at 1 hour 13 minutes 53 secondsSpeaker 573: All up in. All right.

343. 1:13:59 — open the recording at 1 hour 13 minutes 59 secondsSpeaker 574: Okay. Open up the wastewater.

344. 1:14:05 — open the recording at 1 hour 14 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 363: Make a motion to approve the July 13, 2026, break by town.

345. 1:14:09 — open the recording at 1 hour 14 minutes 9 secondsSpeaker 444: I second the motion.

346. 1:14:11 — open the recording at 1 hour 14 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 363: All up in.

347. 1:14:13 — open the recording at 1 hour 14 minutes 13 secondsSpeaker 576: Financial report.

348. 1:14:15 — open the recording at 1 hour 14 minutes 15 secondsKevin (clerk-treasurer / town manager) (clerk): So wastewater requirement has $159,581.70 in the bank. It's funded process currently $6,429.90. Okay. Any questions?

349. 1:14:29 — open the recording at 1 hour 14 minutes 29 secondsSpeaker 129: I do have something to say. Okay.

350. 1:14:33 — open the recording at 1 hour 14 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 581: Okay. Make a motion to approve to pay the vouchers.

351. 1:14:40 — open the recording at 1 hour 14 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 583: I second the motion.

352. 1:14:42 — open the recording at 1 hour 14 minutes 42 secondsSpeaker 581: All in favor.

353. 1:14:43 — open the recording at 1 hour 14 minutes 43 secondsSpeaker 584: Aye. New issues.

354. 1:14:51 — open the recording at 1 hour 14 minutes 51 secondsSpeaker 587: Low pressure. Nobody's here to represent our wastewater. Oh, I thought there was something.

355. 1:14:55 — open the recording at 1 hour 14 minutes 55 secondsSpeaker 213 (councillor): So Bailey is out at the school. OK. And I do believe Joe did drop off the report.

356. 1:15:03 — open the recording at 1 hour 15 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 323: The report is given to us. Yeah.

357. 1:15:10 — open the recording at 1 hour 15 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 591: You want to take on that there? OK.

358. 1:15:13 — open the recording at 1 hour 15 minutes 13 secondsSpeaker 594: No, I want to talk to Joe just a little bit before he left today. But I didn't get a chance to see the report he gave us. OK. You guys won't have any back, OK?

359. 1:15:24 — open the recording at 1 hour 15 minutes 24 secondsSpeaker 595: Okay, but we'll just move on with that. Let's see. Ike Johnson has his 90-day, he has 90 days passed.

360. 1:15:42 — open the recording at 1 hour 15 minutes 42 secondsSpeaker 205: He's supposed to go up to a Labor One position after that, $21.08.

361. 1:15:48 — open the recording at 1 hour 15 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 596: I didn't know. I didn't miss do that. What is it called?

362. 1:15:55 — open the recording at 1 hour 15 minutes 55 secondsSpeaker 598: The salary ordinance. Okay, I didn't realize that.

363. 1:15:58 — open the recording at 1 hour 15 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 599: Okay. I'll make a motion to accept this $20 pay rate.

364. 1:16:05 — open the recording at 1 hour 16 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 445: Can I get a second? Just to be clear today, that one comes out of waste or profit, right? Yes, wastewater. Yes, it only comes out of wastewater. No.

365. 1:16:11 — open the recording at 1 hour 16 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 213 (councillor): And like I said, we did not approve the raise until we get through the budget, so I think we need to table that as well.

366. 1:16:20 — open the recording at 1 hour 16 minutes 20 secondsKevin (clerk-treasurer / town manager) (clerk): this uh this was already in an ordinance for them to go from 19 to 20 to 21. automatic it's a automatic process just to approve all the council next year it would be a good idea to maybe raise all those rates up but this was last year's rate we're working on not this year's rate

367. 1:16:39 — open the recording at 1 hour 16 minutes 39 secondsSpeaker 602: so can i get a second what was that last year's uh ike johnson just finished a 90-day review performance valuation was done by tom tom render he's ready to go to the 21.

368. 1:17:03 — open the recording at 1 hour 17 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 212 (councillor): okay i it was informed that the wastewater just had their inspection in fact i have the wastewater

369. 1:17:10 — open the recording at 1 hour 17 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 94 (councillor): report here but it's not listed here um i know that they have the inspection and those vehicles need to be moved off of the wastewater property yes and they have taken those two hummers which like i said our police chief isn't here either they have taken the two hummers and they have moved them back where we dumped the brush which what is the sense and keeping on moving these vehicles um we need one of them i do know i believe has to go back one of them was on alone if we were going to do anything it needs to go back and we need to get with the chief of police

370. 1:17:50 — open the recording at 1 hour 17 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 94 (councillor): and or the town marshal and work on getting it and work on what we're going to do with those we can't just keep on moving these vehicles and the vehicles that are down there you know what we've got to do something if if we want to get i we need to get with tommy to put an auction together

371. 1:18:09 — open the recording at 1 hour 18 minutes 9 secondsSpeaker 393: we don't need to take them to Wolf. The one is an armored vehicle. It can't go to the public but it can be returned to where it came from through the National Guard. We can return that one. Okay. And then the second one is not armored. It can be sold at an auction and taken to a scrap yard. That's what we were talking

372. 1:18:29 — open the recording at 1 hour 18 minutes 29 secondsSpeaker 183: about. Okay. You better check the minutes because when that was donated if they wanted to get rid of them, they would go back with the country. They were to go back.

373. 1:18:36 — open the recording at 1 hour 18 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 64 (councillor): because we have pump and some other stuff right and i do know that do you know jeff who they who they go who you have to contact with national guard or something yeah it can't go to the local when it has to go okay like i said that those need to be taken care of in those vehicles i don't know

374. 1:18:58 — open the recording at 1 hour 18 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 213 (councillor): what vehicles are left i know there was a a white pickup truck a green pickup truck we need to get

375. 1:19:04 — open the recording at 1 hour 19 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 94 (councillor): with with tommy and and hey let's do a a closed sealed auction we've got these vehicles bid start at 200 whoever wants to bid on them in the town sealed put an envelope we can do it at the where we at august september we can do it at the october meeting open those bids in a public meeting and

376. 1:19:24 — open the recording at 1 hour 19 minutes 24 secondsSpeaker 624: the highest bidder gets those vehicles do you want to start on the process of returning the one back

377. 1:19:28 — open the recording at 1 hour 19 minutes 28 secondsSpeaker 64 (councillor): back to the surplus okay I make a motion that we start on returning one of those

378. 1:19:36 — open the recording at 1 hour 19 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 628: armored vehicles okay then yes can you get started on that if you would please

379. 1:19:47 — open the recording at 1 hour 19 minutes 47 secondsSpeaker 392: I'll send you the information on the cabin. Have you guys done that before? No. Okay. All right. I'll send you the link. Thank you. The information for you. Thank you.

380. 1:19:55 — open the recording at 1 hour 19 minutes 55 secondsSpeaker 634: So, I make a motion to adjourn the wastewater meeting.

381. 1:20:02 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 2 secondsSpeaker 635: One second.

382. 1:20:04 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 634: I'll open it.

383. 1:20:08 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 8 secondsSpeaker 637: Okay. I'll order the stormwater meeting.

384. 1:20:14 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 11: I make a motion to approve the July 13, 2026 regular meeting. Second. All in favor.

385. 1:20:23 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 23 secondsSpeaker 14: Financial report. So the stormwater system has $100,530.25.

386. 1:20:31 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 31 secondsSpeaker 641: Okay. Any new issues?

387. 1:20:35 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 35 secondsSpeaker 213 (councillor): Stephanie is our MS4. And I don't know if it was.

388. 1:20:39 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 39 secondsSpeaker 94 (councillor): I know, and she had to leave. We did get over and I know the drains, we just got to be careful of putting those chemicals down our drains.

389. 1:20:50 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 213 (councillor): I do know that she had an inspection, but I don't know if it was for this month or next month.

390. 1:20:56 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 56 secondsSpeaker 222: If she had an inspection.

391. 1:20:58 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 479: This month she had an inspection. It'll be on next month's agenda.

392. 1:21:04 — open the recording at 1 hour 21 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 457: But I do have a question on that part for storm drains. Driving around noticing, I know there's an ordinance for our cutting, our grass clippings being blown out into the streets and it's causing a lot of issues with our drains. Causing issues with people riding motorcycles, causing issues with, for instance, me. I just spent $4,000 on roofs and tires on my truck.

393. 1:21:36 — open the recording at 1 hour 21 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 490: Gentleman cut the next door neighbor, it's a rental property.

394. 1:21:38 — open the recording at 1 hour 21 minutes 38 secondsSpeaker 455 (staff): he come and cut his rental property. He discharged all these grass up against the side of my truck and destroyed my brand new rims in the side of my truck. Okay and that's a job for Tommy so we will send Tommy. Tommy's aware of it but in the meeting I just want to make it aware so people can see it that there is an ordinance on blowing this grass clippings into the into the roadways. there is a fine going to be levied over. I don't know how Tommy's going to handle it, but I know it's a finable offense.

395. 1:22:15 — open the recording at 1 hour 22 minutes 15 secondsSpeaker 355: I think we have something like that in one of the mornings. All right. Yeah, we do have one.

396. 1:22:21 — open the recording at 1 hour 22 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 602: We have time to walk in the streets. I mean, you mentioned it also. It's just a matter of resources.

397. 1:22:27 — open the recording at 1 hour 22 minutes 27 secondsSpeaker 455 (staff): I mean, the resources are there. It's our policemen that are patrolling. They see these people out here cutting the grass, blowing it out into the streets. Then when it does rain, all that runs into our drains and contaminates and plugs our drains. That's the big issue. That's a safety hazard for people riding motorcycles. You ride a motorcycle, you know how dangerous it is once that grass gets wet. It starts to lie against the people. I mean, it's like riding on ice.

398. 1:22:57 — open the recording at 1 hour 22 minutes 57 secondsSpeaker 490: But I mean, I just wanted to bring that up.

399. 1:23:04 — open the recording at 1 hour 23 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 455 (staff): to go through Tommy. That's what I'm saying. We got to go through Tom. Tommy's the one, he's the one's handling all of it, but I just wanted to bring it out to let people know that

400. 1:23:14 — open the recording at 1 hour 23 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 393: there is an only scene code for that for the state. It's an actual law that the township can do an

401. 1:23:19 — open the recording at 1 hour 23 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 94 (councillor): ordinance. And I also had a question on our redevelopment. Last meeting I had asked if I could get a balance of what our redevelopment has and I would like to also see bank not not the bank statement but our you know we get the accounts payable we get the breakdown for the town the redevelopment is an extension of the town so I would like to see what the balance of our redevelopment is and and and those transactions that are being paid.

402. 1:23:57 — open the recording at 1 hour 23 minutes 57 secondsSpeaker 656: I'm looking at the TIPI last year.

403. 1:23:59 — open the recording at 1 hour 23 minutes 59 secondsSpeaker 577: Yeah, the TIPI account, that's $65,737. $65,637. $65,637.

404. 1:24:09 — open the recording at 1 hour 24 minutes 9 secondsSpeaker 657: $65,637.

405. 1:24:11 — open the recording at 1 hour 24 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 94 (councillor): And I would also like to see, you know, the book work on that.

406. 1:24:18 — open the recording at 1 hour 24 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 64 (councillor): What has that been going out to?

407. 1:24:21 — open the recording at 1 hour 24 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 659: You received it. You received it.

408. 1:24:23 — open the recording at 1 hour 24 minutes 23 secondsSpeaker 64 (councillor): Do I yes if you would please give me a copy of that to your packing it I didn't see that was in my package

409. 1:24:37 — open the recording at 1 hour 24 minutes 37 secondsSpeaker 634: Another little issue we've talked to HWC right that's the

410. 1:24:42 — open the recording at 1 hour 24 minutes 42 secondsDave Elkins (chair): Roads and everything yeah and on night and Is that popular Ninth of Poplar I think it is where we have all the water and everything by West Place.

411. 1:24:57 — open the recording at 1 hour 24 minutes 57 secondsSpeaker 374 (councillor): We looked into that and everything and there's a couple other spots where they're not draining very good and when they redo the roads and some of the sidewalks there with this grant that we're doing they're going to check into us you know if they can replace some of that

412. 1:25:11 — open the recording at 1 hour 25 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 390: so we won't have standing water and stuff like that see if they can put something in let it drink better. So yes, so I just wanted to let you guys know since we're in the storm water that

413. 1:25:25 — open the recording at 1 hour 25 minutes 25 secondsSpeaker 374 (councillor): some of those issues are being discussed and try to take care of.

414. 1:25:33 — open the recording at 1 hour 25 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 11: Okay. Yeah. Open issues.

415. 1:25:38 — open the recording at 1 hour 25 minutes 38 secondsSpeaker 634: Okay. I need a motion to adjourn the storm water. Me. All in favor?

416. 1:25:46 — open the recording at 1 hour 25 minutes 46 secondsSpeaker 677: Aye. All right, any open issues?

417. 1:25:50 — open the recording at 1 hour 25 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 530: I have a couple questions.

418. 1:25:53 — open the recording at 1 hour 25 minutes 53 secondsSpeaker 677: Go ahead.

419. 1:25:54 — open the recording at 1 hour 25 minutes 54 secondsSpeaker 679: So I noticed on Western Hote issues, they're complaining about the cemetery. Does the town take care of that?

420. 1:26:02 — open the recording at 1 hour 26 minutes 2 secondsSpeaker 681: That's the trustee.

421. 1:26:03 — open the recording at 1 hour 26 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 371: Your trustee takes care of that.

422. 1:26:05 — open the recording at 1 hour 26 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 64 (councillor): They have their own board. I do believe Bill McClain is the president still.

423. 1:26:10 — open the recording at 1 hour 26 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 682: Bill McClain is the president.

424. 1:26:12 — open the recording at 1 hour 26 minutes 12 secondsSpeaker 94 (councillor): Bill McClain takes care of it and I was going to say is Mike Anderson still on that as well.

425. 1:26:16 — open the recording at 1 hour 26 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 433: I don't know about that but I know Bill McClain is with it. The trustee pays for it. I think that's how it is.

426. 1:26:22 — open the recording at 1 hour 26 minutes 22 secondsSpeaker 685: Bill McClain and Lyman Roberts. Any other ones? Lyman Roberts.

427. 1:26:27 — open the recording at 1 hour 26 minutes 27 secondsSpeaker 371: Lyman Roberts. So yeah, so get a hold of one of them.

428. 1:26:31 — open the recording at 1 hour 26 minutes 31 secondsSpeaker 679: And then I have a question about my water bill. I can find it. So I have this SC, SSC in asterisks by my wastewater. Like there's those three letters after my wastewater and it's only been on this month.

429. 1:26:50 — open the recording at 1 hour 26 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 689: So I'm not sure I can bring it up.

430. 1:26:54 — open the recording at 1 hour 26 minutes 54 secondsSpeaker 690: I don't know what it's named for.

431. 1:27:00 — open the recording at 1 hour 27 minutesSpeaker 693: See that SC?

432. 1:27:03 — open the recording at 1 hour 27 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 692: Yeah, I don't know. I'll see what that is he brought back in the morning. Is that something that they put in there as a note or a wastewater?

433. 1:27:12 — open the recording at 1 hour 27 minutes 12 secondsSpeaker 695: I will not be able to answer that question.

434. 1:27:14 — open the recording at 1 hour 27 minutes 14 seconds Okay.

435. 1:27:15 — open the recording at 1 hour 27 minutes 15 secondsSpeaker 695: We'll find out for you. All right. Anybody else?

436. 1:27:22 — open the recording at 1 hour 27 minutes 22 secondsDave Elkins (chair): Do you want to do anything?

437. 1:27:24 — open the recording at 1 hour 27 minutes 24 secondsSpeaker 698: Mm-hmm.

438. 1:27:25 — open the recording at 1 hour 27 minutes 25 secondsDave Elkins (chair): Okay. I'll make a motion to adjourn the meeting.

439. 1:27:30 — open the recording at 1 hour 27 minutes 30 secondsSpeaker 700: I'll second.

440. 1:27:31 — open the recording at 1 hour 27 minutes 31 secondsDave Elkins (chair): Oh, okay. All right.

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