Transcript

Vigo County Budget CommitteeAug 24, 2026

Meeting

Vigo County Budget Committee · Aug 24, 2026

Length

2:02:35

Lines

525

Transcribed by

mlx-community/whisper-large-v3-turbo

1. 0:00:00 — open the recording at 0 seconds Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

2. 0:18:00 — open the recording at 18 minutesSpeaker 3 (chair): Big County Budget Committee is now in session. We are discussing the employees, full-time employees, and calculating what we spend annually for full-time employees. It's pretty boring, but we're doing it anyway. Okay. So the auditor is now calculating the number of full-time employees we have. So look here.

3. 0:18:36 — open the recording at 18 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 7: Okay.

4. 0:18:37 — open the recording at 18 minutes 37 secondsSpeaker 11: In some instances, let's take a longevity. This is 26 times that they're getting paid this stipend. stipend so we'll just take one of these people here if we were to take that number

5. 0:18:56 — open the recording at 18 minutes 56 secondsSpeaker 12: and multiply it times 26 they would they would technically they would come out worse off

6. 0:19:10 — open the recording at 19 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 9: some people would yes

7. 0:19:11 — open the recording at 19 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 15: so probably what you have to do is you probably have to look to see what the largest stipend is

8. 0:19:20 — open the recording at 19 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 18: yeah

9. 0:19:20 — open the recording at 19 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 23: but this this may be um there's one at 643 Oh, that's a big one.

10. 0:19:41 — open the recording at 19 minutes 41 secondsSpeaker 24: Yeah.

11. 0:19:43 — open the recording at 19 minutes 43 secondsSpeaker 25: So we may not be able to approach that direction. Yeah.

12. 0:19:49 — open the recording at 19 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 6: Yeah, this is not an accurate way to do it, actually.

13. 0:19:57 — open the recording at 19 minutes 57 secondsSpeaker 22: Unless we disregard.

14. 0:20:03 — open the recording at 20 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 30: longevity we disregard

15. 0:20:10 — open the recording at 20 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 33: no I'm not saying disregard it as in do away I'm calculating we don't touch that

16. 0:20:20 — open the recording at 20 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 38: yeah so you did away with longevity

17. 0:20:26 — open the recording at 20 minutes 26 secondsSpeaker 40: All right.

18. 0:20:33 — open the recording at 20 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 42: This is going to be a tough question.

19. 0:20:38 — open the recording at 20 minutes 38 secondsSteve (councillor): It may take you some time.

20. 0:20:45 — open the recording at 20 minutes 45 secondsSteve (councillor): What stipends are there that are not longevity related, not clothing allowance related, not cell phone related? looking for special like special purpose stipends that are kind of one-offs Sheriff's Department okay what what do you have there oh okay so many of theirs look like their clothing allowance group homes would be one of them

21. 0:21:21 — open the recording at 21 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 52 (staff): Sheriff's Department has what they're an instructor, what their grade is.

22. 0:21:33 — open the recording at 21 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 55 (staff): It's on third page from the back.

23. 0:21:38 — open the recording at 21 minutes 38 secondsSteve (councillor): I see something called a high-tech crime unit also. I don't know what that is.

24. 0:21:42 — open the recording at 21 minutes 42 secondsSpeaker 57: That is actually a grant.

25. 0:21:43 — open the recording at 21 minutes 43 secondsSteve (councillor): That's a grant, okay.

26. 0:21:46 — open the recording at 21 minutes 46 secondsSpeaker 56: You said the third page from the back?

27. 0:21:48 — open the recording at 21 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 58: and also the back of the room before

28. 0:22:18 — open the recording at 22 minutes 18 seconds Thank you.

29. 0:22:48 — open the recording at 22 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 68: Do we need these to be having them break this out for us with those special things and then work on it?

30. 0:22:59 — open the recording at 22 minutes 59 secondsSpeaker 70: Did you see $750? Was that the price you were seeing on that one?

31. 0:23:05 — open the recording at 23 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 74: Well, no, because there's some that are 26 times a year that are like a $16,000 stipend.

32. 0:23:14 — open the recording at 23 minutes 14 secondsSteve (councillor): for specific purposes longevity right so some of the longevities are up there

33. 0:23:44 — open the recording at 23 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 68: Don't you think there's got to be a better way to do this?

34. 0:23:53 — open the recording at 23 minutes 53 secondsSpeaker 80: Mm-hmm.

35. 0:23:54 — open the recording at 23 minutes 54 secondsSpeaker 68: Well, okay, let's figure it out.

36. 0:23:56 — open the recording at 23 minutes 56 secondsSpeaker 85: I mean longevity needs to be sorted out. Sure.

37. 0:24:20 — open the recording at 24 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 56: Yeah, I mean I think.

38. 0:24:21 — open the recording at 24 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 85: Set aside.

39. 0:24:22 — open the recording at 24 minutes 22 secondsSpeaker 56: Right, set aside along with clothing allowances set aside.

40. 0:24:25 — open the recording at 24 minutes 25 secondsSpeaker 87: Clothing allowance.

41. 0:24:25 — open the recording at 24 minutes 25 secondsSpeaker 88: cell phone allowance within reason probably set aside.

42. 0:24:32 — open the recording at 24 minutes 32 secondsSpeaker 68: And that will winnow the thing down to a much. So that's what I was trying to do

43. 0:24:38 — open the recording at 24 minutes 38 secondsSpeaker 90: here is I'm crossing them out. Well, how about if we just

44. 0:24:41 — open the recording at 24 minutes 41 secondsSpeaker 68: have the auditor's office go through and clear those things out for us and then the next budget meeting we'll have a list that's clean.

45. 0:24:50 — open the recording at 24 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 3 (chair): Okay. Because they are the genii's of the outfit. That's plural for genius. Is that doable for you folks? Can you go through this list and sort out the obvious things like clothing allowance, cell phones, and so forth?

46. 0:25:15 — open the recording at 25 minutes 15 secondsJudy (staff): I think if you look at it, the first page it says clothing allowance. Well, you're not looking at that. And then the high-tech crime, that's a grant. your prosecutor specialized that's something to look at there because it tells you in there she's got them grouped payroll has them grouped by what stipends they are your level 2, level 3 that's something that's given to the assessors in both offices for obtaining their level 2 and level 3 and then all these others say longevity. You're not looking at that.

47. 0:25:59 — open the recording at 25 minutes 59 secondsSpeaker 100: Retention stipend is.

48. 0:26:01 — open the recording at 26 minutes 1 secondSpeaker 101: All right. So here, there's this one.

49. 0:26:07 — open the recording at 26 minutes 7 secondsSpeaker 102: Okay.

50. 0:26:07 — open the recording at 26 minutes 7 secondsSpeaker 105: There's that one. All right, then you have high felony.

51. 0:26:12 — open the recording at 26 minutes 12 secondsSteve (councillor): All right, how about we'll go through these one at a time and you can help explain them. So the first page I tore off, we understand that one. Okay. I'm now on the second page, the front side. I think we understand all that. Second page, back side. High felony. This is for a high-tech crime stipend.

52. 0:26:37 — open the recording at 26 minutes 37 seconds No, the prosecutor. Look underneath.

53. 0:26:39 — open the recording at 26 minutes 39 secondsSteve (councillor): Oh, look underneath. Okay. Prosecutor. All right.

54. 0:26:46 — open the recording at 26 minutes 46 secondsJudy (staff): That's a skill that, if I'm not mistaken, I think they came up with for the level. of the crime that they get specialized

55. 0:26:57 — open the recording at 26 minutes 57 secondsSpeaker 117: pay. Then you have a title D stipend. Then you have the group home stipend. Then you have the reassessment stipend.

56. 0:27:17 — open the recording at 27 minutes 17 secondsSpeaker 119: They have paid for their level. They have obtained level 2 or level 3.

57. 0:27:21 — open the recording at 27 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 74: Okay. Longevity. We understand that one. So far that's that. Longevity on the next page. Self-explanatory. Same thing again. Tossing that page. Longevity again. Longevity again. Longevity again.

58. 0:27:48 — open the recording at 27 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 124: And the back side. Same thing. Same thing.

59. 0:27:54 — open the recording at 27 minutes 54 secondsSpeaker 126: Then you get to the dispatcher. Then you're going to run into your phone stipend list.

60. 0:28:00 — open the recording at 28 minutesSpeaker 74: Okay. So longevity, still longevity, though. Okay. So toss that. Longevity.

61. 0:28:10 — open the recording at 28 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 129: I'm just going to share up there with dispatcher.

62. 0:28:21 — open the recording at 28 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 134: okay

63. 0:28:39 — open the recording at 28 minutes 39 secondsSpeaker 136: retention stipend

64. 0:28:42 — open the recording at 28 minutes 42 secondsJudy (staff): sorry that is something that they did for the jailers in order to try to keep them they have to to work consecutively and be here for like six months before they get it.

65. 0:28:56 — open the recording at 28 minutes 56 secondsSpeaker 55 (staff): Before they earn it? Yeah, before they earn it because they were having such a hard time of getting jailers so that's something a few years ago that they implemented.

66. 0:29:03 — open the recording at 29 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 139: Okay.

67. 0:29:04 — open the recording at 29 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 55 (staff): Building security also gets it too, Devin informed me.

68. 0:29:12 — open the recording at 29 minutes 12 secondsSpeaker 141: Also gets what?

69. 0:29:13 — open the recording at 29 minutes 13 secondsSpeaker 55 (staff): The retention stipend.

70. 0:29:15 — open the recording at 29 minutes 15 seconds Okay.

71. 0:29:17 — open the recording at 29 minutes 17 secondsSpeaker 55 (staff): Then after the jail and building security, you get to the sheriff's department with their stipends.

72. 0:29:25 — open the recording at 29 minutes 25 secondsSpeaker 144: So that's paid twice, but not until after they've been here six months. Okay.

73. 0:29:36 — open the recording at 29 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 149: Evening shift, instructors, okay.

74. 0:29:45 — open the recording at 29 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 74: Now I'm at a place where it says City Court, second to the back page, I think. Or maybe it's...

75. 0:30:10 — open the recording at 30 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 153: And second to the back page.

76. 0:30:15 — open the recording at 30 minutes 15 secondsJudy (staff): I'm not certain on those, but those might be the ones that go to city court.

77. 0:30:28 — open the recording at 30 minutes 28 secondsSpeaker 158: Is that done? I don't…

78. 0:30:30 — open the recording at 30 minutes 30 secondsSpeaker 145 (staff): I'm going to have to… Autumn's watching, so Autumn can get us an answer on that.

79. 0:30:36 — open the recording at 30 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 159: Okay. So probably…

80. 0:30:38 — open the recording at 30 minutes 38 secondsJudy (staff): Taylor Trinkle, she's a grant. walks in he gets a minimal amount for the what's the deal on this pre-trial grant so far i've narrowed

81. 0:30:49 — open the recording at 30 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 164: down to that that's that's the only one i can find that really stands out so 4d no this one is the only one that i said yeah there's two so that's the only one i I have found that stands out that's different and separate from everything else.

82. 0:31:17 — open the recording at 31 minutes 17 secondsSpeaker 171: Title IV-D stipend?

83. 0:31:18 — open the recording at 31 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 173: No. Group homes. So it's below it. It's below it.

84. 0:31:23 — open the recording at 31 minutes 23 secondsSpeaker 174: Oh, I thought you were saying this one. Those are the ones that you approved this year. No, I'm aware of that.

85. 0:31:28 — open the recording at 31 minutes 28 secondsSpeaker 111: I'm aware of that. And then we just recently approved it again.

86. 0:31:33 — open the recording at 31 minutes 33 secondsSteve (councillor): Can we just talk openly? Can I just say what I would like to see?

87. 0:31:38 — open the recording at 31 minutes 38 secondsSpeaker 175: We'll say whatever you want to say.

88. 0:31:39 — open the recording at 31 minutes 39 secondsSteve (councillor): All right.

89. 0:31:41 — open the recording at 31 minutes 41 secondsSteve (councillor): The goal here is to look at doing away with the stipends that are not necessary and instead applying a flat raise potentially across the board to all county employees.

90. 0:32:04 — open the recording at 32 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 177: Not there yet. We're getting there.

91. 0:32:08 — open the recording at 32 minutes 8 secondsSteve (councillor): but but the thought process would be rather than to do it by a percentage

92. 0:32:16 — open the recording at 32 minutes 16 secondsSteve (councillor): every county employee would get the exact same raise so that somebody who is at a lower grade is actually getting a larger percentage to help them with their cost of living and a person who is at a higher grade, although it's a lower percentage, it's the same raise to help offset so that everybody,

93. 0:32:42 — open the recording at 32 minutes 42 secondsSteve (councillor): because right now we have some level fives that are not making enough money to live. And even with a raise, I don't know that that's going to help, but it's to look at that and see that there are people who are making that much less we thought perhaps by doing a flat raise and of course we've been talking about doing no raises right so we thought about applying a flat raise across the board to all countywide employees with the exception of elected officials And that would help, hopefully, some of those lower grades that are not making enough money.

94. 0:33:37 — open the recording at 33 minutes 37 secondsSteve (councillor): But it also helps the higher grades because they'd be getting a raise where before we were talking about not doing a raise.

95. 0:33:47 — open the recording at 33 minutes 47 secondsSpeaker 183: Roll that by again. Say that again.

96. 0:33:49 — open the recording at 33 minutes 49 secondsSteve (councillor): All right, so if we were to do away with stipends, with the one-offs, which I was only able to find one. Now, I could be wrong. We'll ask the auditor's office to see if they can show us more.

97. 0:34:07 — open the recording at 34 minutes 7 secondsSteve (councillor): But not touching longevity, not touching clothing allowances, things that are something where it applies equally to everybody.

98. 0:34:16 — open the recording at 34 minutes 16 secondsSteve (councillor): the thought was instead of doing stipends we create a raise and instead of doing it by a percentage it is a flat number and impacts everybody the same so my raise because i'm a hundred thousand dollar employee isn't who who who doesn't need the raise as much as the person who is making 35 000 a year it helps that 35 000 employee a whole lot more and gets us to where we are a little bit closer percentage wise in payroll so that there's not so much of a distance between these?

99. 0:35:16 — open the recording at 35 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 145 (staff): Not to be disrespectful or anything at all, but have you thought that

100. 0:35:21 — open the recording at 35 minutes 21 secondsJudy (staff): the grades that were graded by Baker Tilly, that those positions are not as task-oriented as what the higher ones are?

101. 0:35:39 — open the recording at 35 minutes 39 seconds Right.

102. 0:35:39 — open the recording at 35 minutes 39 secondsSpeaker 192: Judy makes a valid point. I mean, we have to be sensitive to that because that affects our entire.

103. 0:35:46 — open the recording at 35 minutes 46 secondsSpeaker 194: It also gets to the point where.

104. 0:35:49 — open the recording at 35 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 195: It negates.

105. 0:35:50 — open the recording at 35 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 194: Like it did last year, we had some employees that would have been making similar to what elected officials. That's correct.

106. 0:36:00 — open the recording at 36 minutesSpeaker 198: That is exactly right.

107. 0:36:01 — open the recording at 36 minutes 1 secondSteve (councillor): So it would be less likely in this scenario to have that than if you did it by a percentage.

108. 0:36:06 — open the recording at 36 minutes 6 secondsSteve (councillor): Because if you did it by a percentage, the higher paid employees would be getting a higher amount of money,

109. 0:36:16 — open the recording at 36 minutes 16 secondsSteve (councillor): and they would get closer to an elected official.

110. 0:36:23 — open the recording at 36 minutes 23 secondsSpeaker 3 (chair): But that's because you're not giving the elected official away.

111. 0:36:25 — open the recording at 36 minutes 25 secondsSteve (councillor): But also, I'm going to say this. This is no offense to you or any other elected official. Why are we so opposed to a good employee making more than us? I'm not saying, I know you're not. I didn't mean to suggest that you were concerned. I know you're looking out for everybody. So you're looking out for all elected officials. Absolutely. And it might be discouraging for people to run if they know that they could.

112. 0:36:47 — open the recording at 36 minutes 47 secondsSpeaker 205: No, not just that. It's just, it's about being fair.

113. 0:36:52 — open the recording at 36 minutes 52 secondsLarry (councillor): It's about being fair.

114. 0:36:53 — open the recording at 36 minutes 53 seconds Right.

115. 0:36:53 — open the recording at 36 minutes 53 secondsSpeaker 210: It's right.

116. 0:36:56 — open the recording at 36 minutes 56 secondsLarry (councillor): And you're right. I do care about what people make. Yeah.

117. 0:37:00 — open the recording at 37 minutesSpeaker 192: And I do too, Larry. I think you've got to be considerate of everybody.

118. 0:37:05 — open the recording at 37 minutes 5 secondsLarry (councillor): I'm not, you know, keep me out of the loop here, but out of the equation, should I say.

119. 0:37:12 — open the recording at 37 minutes 12 secondsSpeaker 215: But, yeah, that's a difficult...

120. 0:37:18 — open the recording at 37 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 144: Just trying to come up with ideas on how to help people financially without hurting the county too much in the process.

121. 0:37:25 — open the recording at 37 minutes 25 secondsSpeaker 194: I think that if you eliminated fours and fives is that right fours and fives am I

122. 0:37:31 — open the recording at 37 minutes 31 secondsSpeaker 141: saying that right just for which we did there are no more fours okay five is I

123. 0:37:40 — open the recording at 37 minutes 40 secondsSteve (councillor): think was around 30 35,000 maybe I can't remember

124. 0:37:55 — open the recording at 37 minutes 55 seconds 38, 9, 56, and what are those 35?

125. 0:37:57 — open the recording at 37 minutes 57 secondsSpeaker 225: So call it 39.

126. 0:38:00 — open the recording at 38 minutesSpeaker 217: And so you're saying that eliminating all stipends?

127. 0:38:06 — open the recording at 38 minutes 6 secondsSpeaker 42: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No? No. We were looking to see what stipends there

128. 0:38:13 — open the recording at 38 minutes 13 secondsSteve (councillor): are that stick out that seem to be just like a one-off. So but the truth is, and looking at this list, I only found one, and that was group homes. So it's not going to have the impact that I thought. I honestly thought there were more stipends out there

129. 0:38:32 — open the recording at 38 minutes 32 secondsSteve (councillor): and that this could have a larger impact on the county financially and go to a raise instead.

130. 0:38:49 — open the recording at 38 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 192: I agree with you, Larry. I think that, you know, everybody's impacted by inflation.

131. 0:38:55 — open the recording at 38 minutes 55 secondsSpeaker 3 (chair): I mean, you know, we live at the level that we live. You know, it affects across the board. Okay.

132. 0:39:04 — open the recording at 39 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 233: Judy, when we get this raise at the beginning with bacon-chilling,

133. 0:39:09 — open the recording at 39 minutes 9 secondsSpeaker 237: was everything brought up to the cost of living from where we studied it?

134. 0:39:14 — open the recording at 39 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 238: Yes. No. No. No? No. I thought it was last year.

135. 0:39:19 — open the recording at 39 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 119: No.

136. 0:39:20 — open the recording at 39 minutes 20 secondsJudy (staff): Yeah, Kevin, that's why I told you guys to reach out to Kevin Gardner because he keeps an up-to-date record. And I know he had said before that we were at least two behind.

137. 0:39:34 — open the recording at 39 minutes 34 secondsSpeaker 240: We're two raises behind, correct.

138. 0:39:35 — open the recording at 39 minutes 35 secondsJudy (staff): I believe it might be more. I don't know. I just, when Kevin spoke at one of the meetings, I remember that.

139. 0:39:42 — open the recording at 39 minutes 42 seconds Yeah.

140. 0:39:43 — open the recording at 39 minutes 43 secondsJudy (staff): So he could speak on it more. That's why I suggested at the last budget meeting that maybe you get the info from him.

141. 0:39:49 — open the recording at 39 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 243: There are 693 full-time employees.

142. 0:40:19 — open the recording at 40 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 57: If Kevin's here, he'd probably come over and come in. I'm texting him right now.

143. 0:40:35 — open the recording at 40 minutes 35 secondsSpeaker 250: That's a good number.

144. 0:40:49 — open the recording at 40 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 3 (chair): You know, I think when we try to, you know, well, don't give a raise to these people and don't give a raise to those people. I mean, it gets winky dink and it's unfair to people. Either be fair and give a raise or don't give a raise. I mean, that's the way I feel.

145. 0:41:06 — open the recording at 41 minutes 6 secondsSpeaker 262: It affects you, it affects Larry, it affects Brad, and it's not fair.

146. 0:41:13 — open the recording at 41 minutes 13 secondsSpeaker 264: So are you suggesting if we're giving a raise, we give it even to elected officials?

147. 0:41:17 — open the recording at 41 minutes 17 secondsSpeaker 262: Well, they, you know, they... A cost of living raise is a cost of living raise. It's a cost of living raise. Who do you...

148. 0:41:25 — open the recording at 41 minutes 25 secondsSpeaker 268: It's the same thing as your aunt, your wife, your wife, by the way.

149. 0:41:28 — open the recording at 41 minutes 28 seconds Yeah.

150. 0:41:29 — open the recording at 41 minutes 29 secondsSpeaker 272: I mean, I just think you have to be fair. Well, if you don't, what you're doing is you've got people that are up here, and you have people that are down here. There again, your middle class people are getting hosed if you do it that way, in my opinion. in my opinion but i'm nobody well you're not nobody but i mean you've got to decide how

151. 0:41:52 — open the recording at 41 minutes 52 secondsSpeaker 267: how are you going to do it you're going to do it you're going to i mean we could we could lower the

152. 0:41:58 — open the recording at 41 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 3 (chair): upper class too and you know i mean you have to do if you're giving across the board you give it

153. 0:42:03 — open the recording at 42 minutes 3 secondsSteve (councillor): across the board period all right so i am going to if if there are any raises I'm going to request that they are done separately this year, elected officials versus employees. Because last year I was forced to vote in favor of elected officials because it was all grouped together and I do not want to be put in that position again. So I'm asking if we are doing that, I would like for them to be separate to vote on.

154. 0:42:39 — open the recording at 42 minutes 39 secondsSteve (councillor): I'm not voting for us to have a raise.

155. 0:42:43 — open the recording at 42 minutes 43 secondsSpeaker 279: So what is your, so you're not voting for elected officials?

156. 0:42:49 — open the recording at 42 minutes 49 secondsSteve (councillor): I will not vote for elected officials to get a raise. I think we're all.

157. 0:42:52 — open the recording at 42 minutes 52 secondsSpeaker 280: Not even a cost of living?

158. 0:42:53 — open the recording at 42 minutes 53 secondsSteve (councillor): No, I will not personally, no. Okay. Now, that doesn't mean you don't have four votes on here. You probably still have four votes on the council. I'm just not going to be one of those votes. would I vote for people that are working at this full time and coming to work every day

159. 0:43:11 — open the recording at 43 minutes 11 secondsSteve (councillor): to have a raise that I could be convinced of but how do you separate that well I mean for starters

160. 0:43:20 — open the recording at 43 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 144: most of us elected officials have the ability to not be here all the time and we have other incomes

161. 0:43:29 — open the recording at 43 minutes 29 secondsSteve (councillor): with an employee, their 35 hours a week is generally working for the county and sometimes more than 35 hours a week. So in my mind, we all volunteered to run for office. We accepted it to run for that office at the rate that was advertised. I'm just, I'm not going to vote to give us a raise. but if but if they want to you've you've got two other people here that that can and then if it goes to the council you've got four people i'm sure that would do the same again i just don't want to be put in a position where i'm voting to give myself a raise or quite frankly there are

162. 0:44:17 — open the recording at 44 minutes 17 secondsSteve (councillor): some salaries in our county that are pretty high and giving them whatever the percentage of raise is is, I'm just going to say it's disgusting, the amount that some people would get if they got the same percentage of raise. And I'm not convinced that some people are doing that much extra work. I think we put titles and we assume that some people are better than the rest of everybody else and we want to pay them these high rates. I don't believe it.

163. 0:44:55 — open the recording at 44 minutes 55 secondsSpeaker 90: So that's where I stand.

164. 0:44:59 — open the recording at 44 minutes 59 secondsSpeaker 93: Would we want to have Kevin come up and give us some numbers? Yes. Kevin Gardner? I have a number that I give it.

165. 0:45:12 — open the recording at 45 minutes 12 secondsSpeaker 293: I haven't prepared anything.

166. 0:45:14 — open the recording at 45 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 47: I haven't prepared anything. You unprepared is generally more effective and more impactful than those of us that have

167. 0:45:20 — open the recording at 45 minutes 20 seconds prepared.

168. 0:45:21 — open the recording at 45 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 3 (chair): We're talking about our numbers that we have in our treasury and if we give raises, if we don't give raises and so forth, and the looming possibilities that we're facing and so forth.

169. 0:45:39 — open the recording at 45 minutes 39 secondsJudy (staff): They asked if we were currently up to the study, and I told them that you would know better than anyone because you keep a pretty good eye on that. Yes, and I believe that we were at least two. raises behind from last time that you spoke before them so you would be the most knowledgeable

170. 0:45:59 — open the recording at 45 minutes 59 secondsSpeaker 300: when you did the last is that on camden i'm sorry yep it's on okay when you did the last

171. 0:46:08 — open the recording at 46 minutes 8 secondsKevin Gardner (consultant): last year and took everyone to they were pulling at the midpoint plus three actually it was a midpoint minus three. Because you were still short one cost of living rate. So let's say you stay with that. If you don't do a cost of living rate this year, then you will be behind at least six percent based off of where the study got. So if that's what you were wanting to know. So I guess ultimately it just comes to where you want the people at. You guys work very hard to get them to figure out. So if you were trying to get them to equate to some type of market, which is what they were doing,

172. 0:47:03 — open the recording at 47 minutes 3 secondsKevin Gardner (consultant): then every time you don't get a cost of living, you'll get farther away from that. if that makes sense. And Steve does what we're saying. I agree with you 100% that we have many positions that are overpaid. Whether it's elected official or staff, we've got positions that are overpaid. We've got positions that are drastically overpaid. And I have pushed for this for I know three years now of there being some sort of committee that analyzes every department to see where it's going. We've got enough intelligence in this building, people know what people do,

173. 0:47:53 — open the recording at 47 minutes 53 secondsKevin Gardner (consultant): that you can have a committee that can say, yes, this office is overstaffed, yes, this office is overstaffed, or yes, this person equal to these other offices is that they could pay or that you hire to all the pay. That's never happened. Again, I still think it needs to happen, and I think until it does, there are always going to be issues in the dark. But my only problem with not doing a grade to elected official 5% because we're similar to a department head other than we have to run for an election, they get appointed.

174. 0:48:33 — open the recording at 48 minutes 33 secondsKevin Gardner (consultant): you give them the rating you don't give them the elected official that's running their department so basically you said they're worth less than the department yes as elected officials we don't follow the same guidelines we don't have to be here there are a lot of us that are i know there's a lot of us that aren't but at some point if you keep raising the staff and the other workers at some point You run your own business, Steve, just like how you do. You would not pay your staff more than you do.

175. 0:49:14 — open the recording at 49 minutes 14 seconds On paper, you might.

176. 0:49:17 — open the recording at 49 minutes 17 secondsSpeaker 311: I was going to say, I'll open my books up to you.

177. 0:49:20 — open the recording at 49 minutes 20 secondsKevin Gardner (consultant): I don't have the books, but in reality, you're not going to run a business to where you're paying the people anymore.

178. 0:49:30 — open the recording at 49 minutes 30 secondsSpeaker 314: It just wouldn't make any sense.

179. 0:49:36 — open the recording at 49 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 316: Now again, I still, sorry, I thought this thing was on because I talk so loud anyway. But again, I do agree, there needs to be, we don't need to pay for any more studies, but there needs to be a study by office, by department to determine where it should be. Staffing and pay. I don't know that it ever happened, but it needs to happen. And it can be done in-house with volunteers where we're not paying another dime for a study.

180. 0:50:10 — open the recording at 50 minutes 10 secondsSteve (councillor): So I think one thing that, and I'm sure it's part of it's covered by state statute, but if it's legal, I think just like the prosecutor has the ability to decide if they want to be full time or part time and choose between which salary they want, I think other elected positions should have that same ability so that if you want to be a part time assessor versus a full time assessor or full time versus part-time auditor then you're starting to get the salaries more appropriate to the position that we're going for we we are considered part-time so we make less

181. 0:51:06 — open the recording at 51 minutes 6 secondsLarry (councillor): if I may yeah absolutely so let's say you do have that part-time auditor position mm-hmm so that auditor moves on next one comes in he's a full-time how

182. 0:51:20 — open the recording at 51 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 326: do you assess that the same way she same way as you do with prosecutor's office

183. 0:51:24 — open the recording at 51 minutes 24 secondsSpeaker 327: no no not pay grades okay it's two different pay amounts just the way the prosecutor is so you choose you get to elect at the beginning if you would like

184. 0:51:36 — open the recording at 51 minutes 36 secondsSteve (councillor): to be full-time or part-time and then once you make that election your pay will be based on that and the number of hours that you put in will be based on that as well so that it gives us the ability to say hey I want to be a part time or full-time elected official

185. 0:51:55 — open the recording at 51 minutes 55 secondsSpeaker 3 (chair): I'd like to just say I think that's a crock of baloney because when you elect somebody to do a job they ought to show up and do the job and then you're

186. 0:52:04 — open the recording at 52 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 52 (staff): running into this Steve so if you have a part-time say Kevin becomes a part-time assessor who takes up that slack in the amount of work that he does he does a

187. 0:52:14 — open the recording at 52 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 335: lot of work there I don't disagree but we we but that's a law but we do have

188. 0:52:24 — open the recording at 52 minutes 24 secondsSteve (councillor): instances where that takes place and so when you when you hear me say I'm not forgiving and then you've got some elected officials that their salary is Because in my opinion, it is beyond gross at this point. And so to give a percentage of raise versus a flat raise, for starters, to me is getting the gap even further and further apart to where if I'm making $100,000 a year and I get a 5% increase, that's $5,000. But if I'm a $35,000 a year person or a $40,000 a year person, that's $1,000. So we're growing that gap even more and more and more to where it's truly not fair and

189. 0:53:24 — open the recording at 53 minutes 24 secondsSteve (councillor): some employees can't afford to live.

190. 0:53:27 — open the recording at 53 minutes 27 secondsSpeaker 192: Let me just say, Kevin mentioned that it would be a good idea to have a panel to look at the salaries. As a matter of fact, Brad will remember this some years back. We did have a group got together and they selected folks from the personnel committee. Counsel, you know, and so forth, and they got it all together. And that's how it got so jacked up. And that's how the commissioner's salaries got so high and so forth. And, you know, it doesn't mean it's going to get better.

191. 0:53:59 — open the recording at 53 minutes 59 secondsSpeaker 276: It could get worse.

192. 0:54:00 — open the recording at 54 minutesSpeaker 316: I actually believe that in the handbook, it says that the commissioners do have a three-person panel or committee. I don't think it exists, but the handbook does say there is one. I just think it needs to be expanded to where it's not just two or three people. It needs to be somewhere around seven or nine. And it needs to be different people throughout the building that are always part of that. Steve I do agree with you on the straight percentage because you are correct I mean by doing that percentage it does create a larger and larger gap

193. 0:54:37 — open the recording at 54 minutes 37 secondsSpeaker 316: so I don't know if how you fix that is with some sort of a step down percentage

194. 0:54:43 — open the recording at 54 minutes 43 secondsSteve (councillor): or something if you just do if you're gonna do it first off we we have said since we started this that we were gonna do raises this year and now we're entertaining the idea and so whatever raise anyone gets is a raise that we weren't getting two months ago when we started this conversation so my thought was if you pick a flat number whatever that number is you pick a flat number and you apply it to every county employee now the person who's making thirty eight thousand dollars or thirty nine thousand dollars a year is going to

195. 0:55:17 — open the recording at 55 minutes 17 secondsSteve (councillor): fill that impact on their lives a whole lot more than the person's making a hundred thousand dollars a year and the and the person who's making a hundred thousand dollars a year that raises it going to impact their lifestyle the way it will someone who's making now in in in a non-governmental position I'm for supply and demand you do what you can let the market dictate what's going to

196. 0:55:44 — open the recording at 55 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 111: happen but in a with with tax dollars I believe that we should be as fair as

197. 0:55:52 — open the recording at 55 minutes 52 secondsSpeaker 316: possible to our employees I agree and I also wanted to say I'm not promoting for a race for elected officials I know I don't get the voting trying to do some type of fairness you can't treat one different than another sure sure absolutely I agree with the percentage I mean because the gap would just continue to get bigger and bigger and bigger oh thanks

198. 0:56:16 — open the recording at 56 minutes 16 secondsSteve (councillor): anyway this is price something that we can continue the conversation on again as we get more research in but or if you're ready to do something you can you can do

199. 0:56:29 — open the recording at 56 minutes 29 secondsSpeaker 354: something let's wait okay all right well that was this next next meeting I think

200. 0:56:37 — open the recording at 56 minutes 37 secondsSpeaker 276: I think we should ask around the building about it, too.

201. 0:56:41 — open the recording at 56 minutes 41 secondsSpeaker 3 (chair): But I think that elected officials, they're not living on the high side.

202. 0:56:47 — open the recording at 56 minutes 47 secondsSpeaker 192: Most of them are not. And that's for sure.

203. 0:56:51 — open the recording at 56 minutes 51 secondsSpeaker 194: I'm just going to say this openly.

204. 0:56:56 — open the recording at 56 minutes 56 secondsLarry (councillor): I think we should worry more about our employees than we should those that have.

205. 0:57:04 — open the recording at 57 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 3 (chair): By the same token, I mean, that's how elected officials, you know, their salaries fall behind the upper payers, too.

206. 0:57:12 — open the recording at 57 minutes 12 secondsLarry (councillor): That's going to be up to you guys, but I would, and I'm not being noble here, I'm just saying.

207. 0:57:18 — open the recording at 57 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 267: But I'll tell you what, Larry, we have some money, and we shouldn't let people get behind, and the salaries fall behind, because in the past it has.

208. 0:57:27 — open the recording at 57 minutes 27 secondsSpeaker 3 (chair): And, you know, Brad knows that's true, you know. I mean, I think we need to keep up when we can.

209. 0:57:33 — open the recording at 57 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 192: and otherwise you know we fall in the you know as you're not gonna get rich that's for dang sure if you're gonna be working for Vigo County government nobody well some people get rich but that didn't happen on my watch

210. 0:57:50 — open the recording at 57 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 185: so if if you're going to do if you're going to do elected officials and you

211. 0:58:00 — open the recording at 58 minutesSteve (councillor): did the exact same amount that you did look there's not that many elected officials anyway so it's not like it's a big impact on the county so but if you're going to do the elected officials and you did it at the exact same number that you did the employees the only thing I ask is that we separate it it's not that I don't want to see the elected officials get it it's that I have made a commitment to the public I will not vote for a raise that I am included in and so I I won't I just won't do that

212. 0:58:28 — open the recording at 58 minutes 28 secondsSpeaker 370: so moving along okay

213. 0:58:33 — open the recording at 58 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 373: okay what we got next you guys what do you want to talk about what's the auditor's office have next

214. 0:58:46 — open the recording at 58 minutes 46 secondsSpeaker 376: um you don't have it in front of you yet but i do have two funds that we still needed to approve it is 1217 which is the co-elected official training with the auditor's

215. 0:58:58 — open the recording at 58 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 377: office and then fund 1237 which is the opioid fund because we did advertise to 50 out of that and County General so this is just so that you guys can either give it a favorable or unfavorable recommendation

216. 0:59:13 — open the recording at 59 minutes 13 secondsSteve (councillor): Also, while we're waiting for you to bring that up here, I spoke to Travis Norris, and

217. 0:59:26 — open the recording at 59 minutes 26 secondsSteve (councillor): he did indicate that he probably just assumed he'd keep the budget as he had it proposed and that he may want to make changes going forward in the future. But if that happens, he'll come back to us. So if you recall, we tabled it when it was put up on the screen. He didn't have any changes. And we tabled it because he and I had had a conversation and he was gone. Yeah.

218. 1:00:04 — open the recording at 1 hour 4 secondsSpeaker 145 (staff): Looks like you're going to have to, you did the two, threes, and fours. looks like it's going to be the ones that need to be voted on for the coroner?

219. 1:00:13 — open the recording at 1 hour 13 secondsSpeaker 385: Correct. I'm sorry. Yes. Thank you.

220. 1:00:38 — open the recording at 1 hour 38 secondsSpeaker 389: What are we looking at here again? I'm sorry.

221. 1:00:41 — open the recording at 1 hour 41 secondsSpeaker 145 (staff): This is a county elected officials training. Yes. And this is a fund that we take in fees that go into this fund.

222. 1:00:53 — open the recording at 1 hour 53 secondsJudy (staff): And that is where the county elected officials can use when they go to conferences. Instead of hitting county general all the time, there's $25,000 that we take out of here.

223. 1:01:05 — open the recording at 1 hour 1 minute 5 secondsJudy (staff): for the there's only certain elected officials that can use it that's this one certain offices

224. 1:01:21 — open the recording at 1 hour 1 minute 21 secondsSpeaker 400: that's what we put in to be appropriated to be spent before you yeah

225. 1:01:26 — open the recording at 1 hour 1 minute 26 secondsSpeaker 264: which elected officials have access to that

226. 1:01:31 — open the recording at 1 hour 1 minute 31 secondsSpeaker 119: um surveyor auditor treasurer recorder clerk assessor

227. 1:01:45 — open the recording at 1 hour 1 minute 45 secondsSpeaker 405: the assessor all right make a motion to approve all the favor say aye aye motion passes thank you

228. 1:01:53 — open the recording at 1 hour 1 minute 53 secondsSpeaker 389: all right the next one that we're looking at here

229. 1:02:08 — open the recording at 1 hour 2 minutes 8 secondsJudy (staff): opioid funding that's where we went ahead and advertised judge ready's 250 000 advertised it out of county general court's budget and also advertised it in the opioid

230. 1:02:21 — open the recording at 1 hour 2 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 409: Okay, so.

231. 1:02:22 — open the recording at 1 hour 2 minutes 22 secondsJudy (staff): And then you guys left it up to the commissioners to decide what they wanted to do. But if it's not advertised, you can't do it. So that's why they advertised it.

232. 1:02:30 — open the recording at 1 hour 2 minutes 30 secondsSteve (councillor): So I think what we want to do is advertise that opioid only, and then the commissioners get to make that decision?

233. 1:02:38 — open the recording at 1 hour 2 minutes 38 secondsSpeaker 411: If you, okay, if you, it's been advertised in both. We're done. Oh, okay. You're done with that. Okay. So the decision will be made.

234. 1:02:47 — open the recording at 1 hour 2 minutes 47 secondsJudy (staff): Where do you want to pay it from? And then the full council can decide what.

235. 1:02:53 — open the recording at 1 hour 2 minutes 53 secondsSpeaker 30: Okay, in the last budget meeting, I thought we had said we were going to let the commissioners make the decision on where to apply opioid funds.

236. 1:03:00 — open the recording at 1 hour 3 minutesSpeaker 145 (staff): Right, but we have to advertise it. If they say no, they don't want to pay for Judge Ready out of here, then we wouldn't

237. 1:03:09 — open the recording at 1 hour 3 minutes 9 secondsJudy (staff): be able to do it out of County General. She would have to come sometime in 27 and ask for that. That's why it was advertised in both, because that's what was requested. So what we'll do now is what you have said, the changes, we will go back through now. And like everything that was supposed to be out of public safety, and it was advertised in the sheriff's budget and lit public safety, we will take out the sheriff's budget to reflect what you three have done. But at any point, if the full council wants to say, no, we would rather it come out of County General, we can move it back.

238. 1:03:46 — open the recording at 1 hour 3 minutes 46 secondsJudy (staff): If we hadn't advertised it out of both, we would be locked into one fund. So what's going to get printed next is going to be upon your recommendations.

239. 1:04:02 — open the recording at 1 hour 4 minutes 2 secondsSpeaker 415: Is that what you're looking for? A motion for us to take it out of opioids? Is that what you're looking for us to say?

240. 1:04:09 — open the recording at 1 hour 4 minutes 9 secondsSpeaker 55 (staff): Yes. I mean, yeah. You guys can do your recommendation.

241. 1:04:16 — open the recording at 1 hour 4 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 424: And that's all they need, just recommendation.

242. 1:04:18 — open the recording at 1 hour 4 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 427: All right, so, yes?

243. 1:04:20 — open the recording at 1 hour 4 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 424: Sure, get it.

244. 1:04:25 — open the recording at 1 hour 4 minutes 25 secondsSpeaker 430: This is Charles Johnson, Judge Vito County Superior Court Division I, also Chief Judge.

245. 1:04:30 — open the recording at 1 hour 4 minutes 30 secondsCharles Johnson (judge): Since you are discussing opioid funds, I'm not here specifically just concerning Judge Ready's program, I was hoping maybe we could reopen discussion as far as the rise in the case management position for Mental Health Treatment Court. I believe at the last budget meeting that was recommended to not go into general as our request. And I just had some additional information I thought might be appropriate if we would allow me some time and maybe reconsider opening that up and possibly making that recommendation. Is the budget committee okay with that, I guess, to start off with? Sure.

246. 1:05:05 — open the recording at 1 hour 5 minutes 5 secondsCharles Johnson (judge): Okay, thank you. So as the committee is aware, we did add those three positions that were being paid for by opioid only and we requested this year that they be placed into our general budget and then they be reimbursed with the opioid funds. Currently, we are working on a memorandum of understanding with the city as well as the county to get an understanding of what that actual amount will be reimbursed towards those positions as far as our request in general. With the city, I did have a chance to talk with Mike Wright this morning. They are still moving forward with that.

247. 1:05:46 — open the recording at 1 hour 5 minutes 46 secondsCharles Johnson (judge): It's my understanding after talking with Mayor Sackbun at the last meeting that the city is recommending $100,000 each year for the next three years that would go towards helping fund these three positions. would cover roughly 34% of the request that was added into the general fund. The remaining balance that the county would be on the pay on the hook for would then be $174,493.97, which is roughly about 64% of the request. And that would just be if it was out general without any additional We are still working with the commissioners as far as getting the opioid funds, hopefully

248. 1:06:30 — open the recording at 1 hour 6 minutes 30 secondsCharles Johnson (judge): pay for the rest of that as well. That's still in process. We don't necessarily have a number one way or the other, but it's my understanding they still are supportive of this, just not we haven't quite gotten to where we need on the number. I know the budget committee also at the last meeting was able to recommend the new public defender's position and some of the discussion was concerning reimbursement. If only the city in part goes in, it would be roughly about 36 percent, which is almost the same amount of reimbursement that the public defender's office position is getting from the state.

249. 1:07:09 — open the recording at 1 hour 7 minutes 9 secondsCharles Johnson (judge): So it would be about the same reimbursement one way or the other on both those positions. Additionally, the courts have been in support of the public defenders, and I'm not saying in any way that they shouldn't get that position or anything like that. I'm just saying that the courts have also taken on some additional responsibilities with that grant that the Pove Defender's Office has taken. I think you guys are all aware that the City Court cases now are all filed in Division 5. Right now, last year, Division 5 had a utilization number, which is roughly what the state thinks

250. 1:07:44 — open the recording at 1 hour 7 minutes 44 secondsCharles Johnson (judge): that the court should have as far as caseload. The perfect number is one. Right now, Division 5 is at 1.32. Last year before they took the misdemeanors on, they were only at 1.09. So that's jumped up 0.23, so almost roughly a fourth of a quart additional that they're taking on, which is recommended from the state. Overall, Vito County still is number three in the severity of need for the state of Indiana as well. If, in a perfect world, what we would have would be two additional judicial officers that would be able to fund the, to be able to act to work where the state wants this technically

251. 1:08:25 — open the recording at 1 hour 8 minutes 25 secondsCharles Johnson (judge): to be working at, which would be at a point, at a one. Obviously if that was to happen, there would be more additional costs and we're not asking for any of that this time, but I just want to make sure everyone's aware of where the courts are as far as that. With the RISE and the case managers for a mental health treatment court, specifically the RISE individuals, they help facilitate the grants of the Public Defender's Office as well. Part of their duties now are filling out petitions for appointment of counsel, which are required for the grant for the Public Defender's Office.

252. 1:08:59 — open the recording at 1 hour 8 minutes 59 secondsCharles Johnson (judge): With the high caseload in Division 5, that's something they take care of as well. So they come in, fill out the paperwork so that the defendant's information is properly provided and sent forward for the grant so we can send her to stay in compliance with the requirements for the grant as well. Overall, their duties to also help keep the individuals out of jail. I know we've got an ongoing jail overcrowding problem and unfortunately with the uncertainty with where we are, the community corrections and the possibility of losing a probation offer as well.

253. 1:09:35 — open the recording at 1 hour 9 minutes 35 secondsCharles Johnson (judge): That'll likely raise the jail count numbers due to the loss of alternatives to just incarceration. With all that said, I just wanted to request that the court reconsider the request of the general fund. I do think we all have the reimbursement, which at a minimum for the next three years with the city, it would be $100,000. And that's the memorandum of understanding is being worked on right now between Dave Frederick and Michael Wright to get that taken care of. The county number I know is still up in the air, and I'm sure the budget committee would prefer a more exact number as far as that.

254. 1:10:12 — open the recording at 1 hour 10 minutes 12 secondsCharles Johnson (judge): But even then, like I said, if it was just the city, it'd still be a 36% reimbursement, which would be comparable, which was with the Pelot Defender's Office position as receiving as well. I'm welcome to answer any questions, and I just request that that might be reconsidered.

255. 1:10:27 — open the recording at 1 hour 10 minutes 27 secondsSpeaker 439: Can I ask you, do you think the city's going to be able to swing that?

256. 1:10:31 — open the recording at 1 hour 10 minutes 31 secondsCharles Johnson (judge): That's my understanding from Mayor Sacklin, is that he felt committed that three years at $100,000, he'd still be in a good position.

257. 1:10:39 — open the recording at 1 hour 10 minutes 39 secondsSpeaker 439: He'd be out picking up aluminum cans this weekend.

258. 1:10:41 — open the recording at 1 hour 10 minutes 41 secondsCharles Johnson (judge): Would that just be the opioid funds from the city that Debbie used to pay for?

259. 1:10:46 — open the recording at 1 hour 10 minutes 46 secondsSteve (councillor): I've got a couple things on this too, if you don't mind.

260. 1:10:48 — open the recording at 1 hour 10 minutes 48 secondsSteve (councillor): So I think one of the challenges we had here was with Gretchen's program, she didn't just finance the 37 percent through the state. She actually did away with a whole other piece of her budget to offset it. So she fully funded that new position. We're not funding any of it. Okay. The second thing is we're in a bad position because there are several departments here that have some asked for new positions, some wanted to ask for new positions, but chose not to because we had said up front that we weren't going to create or pick up positions.

261. 1:11:30 — open the recording at 1 hour 11 minutes 30 secondsSteve (councillor): And so it's hard for us to say we're going to treat this department different than this one. And Gretchen was an exception because she literally found a way to fully fund her position. And then, of course, the sheriffs, because of the situation over with West Terre Haute, they lost their police agency or turned it into a town marshal. Now, having said that, we did try to come up with a solution so that the judges potentially still get what they need by turning over the opioid fund to the commissioners. So now you can still get that, the portion that you're asking funded, you could still

262. 1:12:07 — open the recording at 1 hour 12 minutes 7 secondsSteve (councillor): get it funded. it would just be through the commissioners through the opioid fund versus through us and the general that way i think they're pretty passionate about the same thing that you're passionate about and my guess is they'll probably want to hear exactly what you just said especially with the city offsetting the uh 37 or whatever it was a hundred thousand dollars a year so that to me that was our our way of saying hey let's let's find a way that they can still move forward with these programs by turning over the opioid fund and so literally we're not

263. 1:12:43 — open the recording at 1 hour 12 minutes 43 secondsSteve (councillor): gonna have much say on that anymore that's gonna be the commissioners that are gonna be able to say yes we think this is a good program let's move

264. 1:12:49 — open the recording at 1 hour 12 minutes 49 secondsCharles Johnson (judge): forward I understand and I appreciate that I guess one point would just be that the hope would be used to be these three positions would be a hundred percent funded too so one just be the city but then this the county which is hopefully would then cover the remaining balance. That would be so each of these three positions would be entirely covered with reimbursement for the opioid fund. And I guess I also would point out, too, these aren't necessarily new positions. Two, one has been in case manager was created last year, so that's the funding for an additional.

265. 1:13:21 — open the recording at 1 hour 13 minutes 21 secondsCharles Johnson (judge): And the RISE case managers were from a grant from two years ago. They were cut down due to the loss of those funds in the opioids. So there was one from three to two, but they also have been in place for two years as well. I guess just the request to would be why we're running on the general is just that it gives us some stability as far as the program. We're aware that it's going to go. I know that puts the county as the backstop on these. But we do believe that with the opioid funds, we'll be able to get these funded and at least continue moving forward to get them taken care of.

266. 1:13:57 — open the recording at 1 hour 13 minutes 57 secondsCharles Johnson (judge): The hope would be obviously the crest will be if the But if it's not approved, we will go and request that the OE Poets funds be paid through the commissioner's office as we did last year. But it would still be my understanding that the council would have to vote on that as well, like last year, where even though the committee does, the commissioners do make that recommendation, we did have to come in front of the council to make that request to get those funded.

267. 1:14:25 — open the recording at 1 hour 14 minutes 25 secondsSteve (councillor): I mean, my humble opinion is I'm good either way, but if we are going to do that I think you have to open up to the entire county to start over and let them also come back and ask for their new positions we cannot treat different departments differently and I with all due respect I absolutely want to help you and I thought we found a solution to help the judges

268. 1:14:47 — open the recording at 1 hour 14 minutes 47 secondsSpeaker 453: but if I think that's the intention was to run it through the commissioners we

269. 1:14:54 — open the recording at 1 hour 14 minutes 54 secondsSteve (councillor): thought we were we thought we were helping you in doing that if we are going to do this my humble opinion is we don't treat one department different

270. 1:15:02 — open the recording at 1 hour 15 minutes 2 secondsSpeaker 454: than another department we start over and we treat them all the same

271. 1:15:13 — open the recording at 1 hour 15 minutes 13 secondsCharles Johnson (judge): but I'm happy to follow the commissioners and it I know you'd already voted on this so this is just my opportunity to try and give some additional information so if that is what it is that you know we respect that and I'll continue to move forward well I appreciate that but so I guess then with that so I will speak with the commissioners and we'll hopefully be able to get that worked out

272. 1:15:35 — open the recording at 1 hour 15 minutes 35 secondsSpeaker 93: as well but thank you all we're still sitting if you have to come back thank

273. 1:15:40 — open the recording at 1 hour 15 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 185: you thank you all right so we were talking about the 254 ready so

274. 1:15:52 — open the recording at 1 hour 15 minutes 52 secondsSpeaker 367: to take okay so there's a motion to take it out opioid all second yeah okay all

275. 1:15:58 — open the recording at 1 hour 15 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 466: in favor say aye aye motion approved and moving along

276. 1:16:06 — open the recording at 1 hour 16 minutes 6 secondsSpeaker 469: what we got next

277. 1:16:14 — open the recording at 1 hour 16 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 472: the coroner salary about 50 minutes

278. 1:16:20 — open the recording at 1 hour 16 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 474: The corners level one or grade one we call them level ones.

279. 1:16:25 — open the recording at 1 hour 16 minutes 25 secondsSpeaker 137: The one series.

280. 1:16:28 — open the recording at 1 hour 16 minutes 28 secondsSpeaker 476: So is that up on screen by chance?

281. 1:16:50 — open the recording at 1 hour 16 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 30: what's that yeah there's money in it in opioid and they've got more coming in so

282. 1:16:56 — open the recording at 1 hour 16 minutes 56 secondsSpeaker 52 (staff): we got $27,000 the first of this month that's the only payment that we've gotten from the opioids but they're they have the undistributed the non-restricted the non-restricted

283. 1:17:15 — open the recording at 1 hour 17 minutes 15 secondsSpeaker 145 (staff): The non-restricted has over $200,000 that's not been touched.

284. 1:17:20 — open the recording at 1 hour 17 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 485: How much?

285. 1:17:21 — open the recording at 1 hour 17 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 486: Over $200,000.

286. 1:17:24 — open the recording at 1 hour 17 minutes 24 secondsSteve (councillor): Can you explain the restricted versus non-restricted and how much is in each one and what you could use each one for, if you know that answer?

287. 1:17:34 — open the recording at 1 hour 17 minutes 34 secondsSpeaker 487: Sorry.

288. 1:17:34 — open the recording at 1 hour 17 minutes 34 secondsLarry (councillor): the non-restricted has a more broad description as where the restriction restricted account

289. 1:17:47 — open the recording at 1 hour 17 minutes 47 secondsSpeaker 489: can only be used for certain things such as things that related relate to preventative causes for people on opioid, substance abuse, that kind of stuff. Okay.

290. 1:18:07 — open the recording at 1 hour 18 minutes 7 secondsSpeaker 490: So I guess I was under the impression that it could all only be used for things that involved opioid addiction to some degree.

291. 1:18:13 — open the recording at 1 hour 18 minutes 13 secondsSpeaker 489: The non is there's more of a broad, and I have sent that to you before. It's been a while.

292. 1:18:20 — open the recording at 1 hour 18 minutes 20 secondsSpeaker 264: Yeah.

293. 1:18:21 — open the recording at 1 hour 18 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 489: But I can find that and send that to you again.

294. 1:18:23 — open the recording at 1 hour 18 minutes 23 secondsSpeaker 264: And how much is in each of those accounts? Ballpark?

295. 1:18:33 — open the recording at 1 hour 18 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 497: There. I actually did a spreadsheet for you.

296. 1:18:40 — open the recording at 1 hour 18 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 499: Sorry.

297. 1:18:53 — open the recording at 1 hour 18 minutes 53 secondsSpeaker 503: Thank you.

298. 1:19:23 — open the recording at 1 hour 19 minutes 23 secondsSpeaker 507: printed them all out

299. 1:19:53 — open the recording at 1 hour 19 minutes 53 secondsJudy (staff): I believe when I did it, it would be if all the appropriations were used.

300. 1:20:01 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 1 secondSpeaker 42: And I know the one.

301. 1:20:03 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 3 secondsJudy (staff): Here it is.

302. 1:20:04 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 4 secondsSpeaker 42: The one was going to have like 200 and some at the end of the year, but the other I'm not familiar with.

303. 1:20:08 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 8 secondsJudy (staff): If all the appropriations are used that were appropriated in 2026 and no additional income came in, there would be roughly $243,000 left in that fund. And then I do know that there's like, oh, here it is right here. There's $218,712 in the non-restricted.

304. 1:20:29 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 29 secondsSpeaker 144: All right, so they've got roughly $400,000 right there to play with.

305. 1:20:33 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 145 (staff): And possibly more. And possibly more. If we're getting another payment.

306. 1:20:37 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 37 secondsSpeaker 411: Like I said, I know $27,000, I think, $26,000, $27,000 came in earlier this month. Sure.

307. 1:20:47 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 47 secondsSpeaker 521: All right. What's next on our agenda?

308. 1:20:52 — open the recording at 1 hour 20 minutes 52 secondsSpeaker 487: Oh the corner yeah and is that on our screen or not on our screen it is okay and there were no major changes here correct

309. 1:21:10 — open the recording at 1 hour 21 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 442: I'll make a motion to accept as it sets

310. 1:21:16 — open the recording at 1 hour 21 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 526: all in favor say aye aye Budget is approved.

311. 1:21:32 — open the recording at 1 hour 21 minutes 32 secondsSpeaker 52 (staff): We didn't do anything with the lit funds. I don't know if you guys took your homework home and looked at them, what was paid out

312. 1:21:41 — open the recording at 1 hour 21 minutes 41 secondsSpeaker 145 (staff): of them, what the balances would be at the end of 26, all that that was handed out to you.

313. 1:21:46 — open the recording at 1 hour 21 minutes 46 seconds Thank you.

314. 1:22:16 — open the recording at 1 hour 22 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 88: Do we still have a handful of ones that we need to still approve as well? I think it's just a lift on that board. That's it?

315. 1:22:27 — open the recording at 1 hour 22 minutes 27 seconds I do. I do. I do.

316. 1:22:30 — open the recording at 1 hour 22 minutes 30 secondsSpeaker 533: Not that one I don't. I got tied up at FedEx.

317. 1:22:32 — open the recording at 1 hour 22 minutes 32 seconds Probably not.

318. 1:22:33 — open the recording at 1 hour 22 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 327: I got tied up at trying to find FedEx well ago and had to bring the wrong vehicle here.

319. 1:22:46 — open the recording at 1 hour 22 minutes 46 seconds Thank you.

320. 1:23:16 — open the recording at 1 hour 23 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 377: Steve, I don't believe that we didn't do a favorable or unfavorable recommendation for any of the departments that had a grade change.

321. 1:23:39 — open the recording at 1 hour 23 minutes 39 secondsSpeaker 544: Because you guys were talking about the policy that you want to put in place?

322. 1:23:43 — open the recording at 1 hour 23 minutes 43 secondsSpeaker 543: I still don't have a good I still don't have a good recommendation yet do either of you

323. 1:23:50 — open the recording at 1 hour 23 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 88: okay we may still have to pause on that for just a little bit a little bit longer on I know I'm sorry

324. 1:23:58 — open the recording at 1 hour 23 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 141: Will you review those real quick, which ones they were?

325. 1:24:12 — open the recording at 1 hour 24 minutes 12 secondsSpeaker 376: I have the auditor's office because there was a grade change and a stipend request.

326. 1:24:18 — open the recording at 1 hour 24 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 377: I have the clerk for a grade change. We were going to come back to the community corrections. because they have benefits paid out of there.

327. 1:24:34 — open the recording at 1 hour 24 minutes 34 secondsSpeaker 551: The corner. The corner we just did.

328. 1:24:42 — open the recording at 1 hour 24 minutes 42 secondsSpeaker 554: We just did the corner then.

329. 1:24:49 — open the recording at 1 hour 24 minutes 49 secondsSpeaker 551: The surveyor.

330. 1:24:51 — open the recording at 1 hour 24 minutes 51 secondsSpeaker 557: He did a new job description with a title change, with a grade change.

331. 1:24:58 — open the recording at 1 hour 24 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 560: I think we were going to look into the treasurers as well.

332. 1:25:07 — open the recording at 1 hour 25 minutes 7 secondsSpeaker 562: I don't recall that one. What was that?

333. 1:25:09 — open the recording at 1 hour 25 minutes 9 secondsSpeaker 563: Something, I think that was just on our end. We needed to take a look at that.

334. 1:25:12 — open the recording at 1 hour 25 minutes 12 secondsSpeaker 562: Okay. Okay.

335. 1:25:28 — open the recording at 1 hour 25 minutes 28 seconds Thank you.

336. 1:25:58 — open the recording at 1 hour 25 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 572: Morgan, can you pull up the treasurers and county general for a second?

337. 1:26:16 — open the recording at 1 hour 26 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 575: I'll just have her pull to the treasurer for a second so you can see.

338. 1:26:19 — open the recording at 1 hour 26 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 51: If you remember right, there was some stuff that looked funky up there the other day. Oh, yeah. So we were going back.

339. 1:26:32 — open the recording at 1 hour 26 minutes 32 secondsSpeaker 578: There were several of these that just didn't match. But we approved that on 8-19. Sorry? It's okay. Yeah.

340. 1:26:38 — open the recording at 1 hour 26 minutes 38 secondsSpeaker 582: I'm going back through real quick just to make sure there's a lot of stuff there in

341. 1:26:47 — open the recording at 1 hour 26 minutes 47 secondsSteve (councillor): there. didn't match before that do match now we can probably run those through right quick

342. 1:27:18 — open the recording at 1 hour 27 minutes 18 secondsSteve (councillor): So with what we don't have on here is the last time you showed us, you showed us what it was last year. Do we need to see that along with it?

343. 1:27:40 — open the recording at 1 hour 27 minutes 40 seconds Thank you.

344. 1:28:10 — open the recording at 1 hour 28 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 517: So it went from 423 to...

345. 1:28:17 — open the recording at 1 hour 28 minutes 17 secondsSpeaker 595: It went down. It was that...

346. 1:28:33 — open the recording at 1 hour 28 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 596: You can stand closer.

347. 1:28:40 — open the recording at 1 hour 28 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 225: So should this have gone down? And are we concerned about that?

348. 1:28:55 — open the recording at 1 hour 28 minutes 55 secondsSpeaker 332: No, it's fine. The reason why we didn't approve it yet is because there's a position in there.

349. 1:29:03 — open the recording at 1 hour 29 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 599: Oh, that's very fine.

350. 1:29:07 — open the recording at 1 hour 29 minutes 7 secondsSpeaker 600: Oh, no, it's fine. we've already proved it

351. 1:29:13 — open the recording at 1 hour 29 minutes 13 secondsSteve (councillor): okay so they're but they're there they're ones are going down by four thousand dollars roughly or three thousand dollars and change we're okay with that

352. 1:29:32 — open the recording at 1 hour 29 minutes 32 secondsSpeaker 614: okay but it's still accountable okay as long as you guys are comfortable with it I make a motion to approve oh I thought that's why this was up here was to 819

353. 1:29:44 — open the recording at 1 hour 29 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 274: we went back Devin and I had gotten your answers and we copy that so are there

354. 1:29:51 — open the recording at 1 hour 29 minutes 51 secondsSpeaker 517: are there others that were that fell into this category that we've not approved right because I felt like okay all right

355. 1:30:08 — open the recording at 1 hour 30 minutes 8 secondsSpeaker 618: We need to look at highway 1176.

356. 1:30:34 — open the recording at 1 hour 30 minutes 34 secondsSpeaker 620: That's a big one, isn't it?

357. 1:30:38 — open the recording at 1 hour 30 minutes 38 secondsSpeaker 52 (staff): We had to go back and look at highway and this is good.

358. 1:30:45 — open the recording at 1 hour 30 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 625: What's that?

359. 1:30:46 — open the recording at 1 hour 30 minutes 46 secondsSpeaker 191: It's not approved but how does it look to you? The highway is ready to go.

360. 1:30:54 — open the recording at 1 hour 30 minutes 54 secondsSpeaker 52 (staff): For the salaries for the ones. We went back and we saw stuff Steve was pointing out and we just wanted to be sure. Let's take a look.

361. 1:31:05 — open the recording at 1 hour 31 minutes 5 seconds Not about 20,000.

362. 1:31:11 — open the recording at 1 hour 31 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 634: Can I see in the future? No, we're just going to...

363. 1:31:21 — open the recording at 1 hour 31 minutes 21 seconds Oh.

364. 1:31:22 — open the recording at 1 hour 31 minutes 22 secondsSpeaker 640: Okay, we're just going to... How was that? Okay, so we're just going to...

365. 1:31:33 — open the recording at 1 hour 31 minutes 33 secondsSpeaker 633: It looks pretty decent.

366. 1:32:03 — open the recording at 1 hour 32 minutes 3 secondsJudy (staff): and if you notice it'll be location 532 531 and 530 they all each have payroll

367. 1:32:29 — open the recording at 1 hour 32 minutes 29 secondsSpeaker 145 (staff): in each of those.

368. 1:32:35 — open the recording at 1 hour 32 minutes 35 secondsSpeaker 294: And they're all down a little bit. Is that cool?

369. 1:32:38 — open the recording at 1 hour 32 minutes 38 secondsSpeaker 600: That's what we went back and looked.

370. 1:32:39 — open the recording at 1 hour 32 minutes 39 secondsSpeaker 294: Okay.

371. 1:32:44 — open the recording at 1 hour 32 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 79: That went down to insurance. We're done.

372. 1:32:48 — open the recording at 1 hour 32 minutes 48 secondsSpeaker 644: Insurance always goes up, doesn't it?

373. 1:32:54 — open the recording at 1 hour 32 minutes 54 secondsSpeaker 646: Well, suit you?

374. 1:32:58 — open the recording at 1 hour 32 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 476: I think so. Nancy, you have any questions? I'll make a motion to accept.

375. 1:33:05 — open the recording at 1 hour 33 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 649: Second. Second. More with favor say. Aye. Aye. It is approved.

376. 1:33:16 — open the recording at 1 hour 33 minutes 16 secondsSpeaker 599: Next one's infraction deferral that we went to look at. Morgan's getting ready to pull that up.

377. 1:33:23 — open the recording at 1 hour 33 minutes 23 secondsSpeaker 653: 2501.

378. 1:33:30 — open the recording at 1 hour 33 minutes 30 secondsSpeaker 400: And this one was correct.

379. 1:33:38 — open the recording at 1 hour 33 minutes 38 secondsSpeaker 657: It is correct, you say?

380. 1:33:40 — open the recording at 1 hour 33 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 400: Yes.

381. 1:33:50 — open the recording at 1 hour 33 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 660: I'll make a motion to approve.

382. 1:33:53 — open the recording at 1 hour 33 minutes 53 secondsSpeaker 191: where the travel expenses went up they going to go while you you already approved that one

383. 1:33:59 — open the recording at 1 hour 33 minutes 59 secondsSpeaker 664: you approved that on 813. I mean it must be okay all in favor say aye the budget is approved the next one's going to be fund 1161

384. 1:34:11 — open the recording at 1 hour 34 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 137: one and this is where they raise the grade fours to grade five two of them in there

385. 1:34:27 — open the recording at 1 hour 34 minutes 27 secondsSpeaker 145 (staff): Joni's Public Health they had fours in there raised them to a five

386. 1:34:34 — open the recording at 1 hour 34 minutes 34 secondsSpeaker 668: thank you for pointing that out

387. 1:34:41 — open the recording at 1 hour 34 minutes 41 secondsSpeaker 294: And somehow it's still less.

388. 1:34:58 — open the recording at 1 hour 34 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 675 (staff): It's because we took those people to midpoint, so this fund also had stipends last year. So when you took everybody to midpoint, you got rid of the stipends.

389. 1:35:09 — open the recording at 1 hour 35 minutes 9 secondsSpeaker 557: So that's why you're seeing a decrease.

390. 1:35:12 — open the recording at 1 hour 35 minutes 12 secondsSpeaker 678: got it okay motion to approve all the papers say aye aye and then i think we had races i think we

391. 1:35:23 — open the recording at 1 hour 35 minutes 23 secondsSpeaker 119: had reassessment 1224.

392. 1:35:41 — open the recording at 1 hour 35 minutes 41 secondsSpeaker 274: And the reason why that looked all funky is because you have

393. 1:36:05 — open the recording at 1 hour 36 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 145 (staff): two departments that used that for payroll and it wasn't all separated up

394. 1:36:13 — open the recording at 1 hour 36 minutes 13 secondsSpeaker 497: so we made sure that that was good

395. 1:36:18 — open the recording at 1 hour 36 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 42: so you've now turned it into two different departments

396. 1:36:24 — open the recording at 1 hour 36 minutes 24 secondsSpeaker 482: 8 is the county assessor and 13 is the Harrison assessor

397. 1:36:32 — open the recording at 1 hour 36 minutes 32 secondsSpeaker 689: we also separated out the part-time salaries as well from the full from the payroll salary so you'll see a slight decrease in that line item but it makes up for the part-time salaries okay

398. 1:36:45 — open the recording at 1 hour 36 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 191: and why did that happen how why did you do it this way

399. 1:36:52 — open the recording at 1 hour 36 minutes 52 secondsSpeaker 145 (staff): so they'll know what they're spending out of their own location okay

400. 1:36:59 — open the recording at 1 hour 36 minutes 59 secondsSpeaker 698: it kind of helps them

401. 1:37:01 — open the recording at 1 hour 37 minutes 1 secondSpeaker 145 (staff): there is but not in salaries we've already done the two threes and fours this is just salaries

402. 1:37:10 — open the recording at 1 hour 37 minutes 10 secondsSpeaker 699: because they're doing their own digital claims now it kind of helps them keep track of how much part-time and overtime they have that way they're not calling the auditor's office it kind of eliminates us as the middle man okay got it

403. 1:37:29 — open the recording at 1 hour 37 minutes 29 secondsSpeaker 105: So the salary on the top line along with the 08 payroll and the 13 part-time.

404. 1:37:51 — open the recording at 1 hour 37 minutes 51 secondsSpeaker 703: 226 226 okay

405. 1:38:03 — open the recording at 1 hour 38 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 689: so this is just harrison that uses reassessment for payroll fika per group insurance those are

406. 1:38:15 — open the recording at 1 hour 38 minutes 15 secondsSpeaker 487: your series ones for them so there was no i guess on this one there was no 26 number to compare to

407. 1:38:21 — open the recording at 1 hour 38 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 706: Because last year it was grouped together.

408. 1:38:23 — open the recording at 1 hour 38 minutes 23 secondsSpeaker 487: So that was in that 429,000 that we saw before? Yes. Copy that. That's what I was asking. Okay.

409. 1:38:29 — open the recording at 1 hour 38 minutes 29 secondsSpeaker 689: Yeah. But we went back to the 144,000, and those numbers are reflected correctly. Okay.

410. 1:38:40 — open the recording at 1 hour 38 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 713: All right.

411. 1:38:40 — open the recording at 1 hour 38 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 689: So you have Harrison, and then you have the assessors. The auditor also uses it, but not for Series 1s.

412. 1:38:51 — open the recording at 1 hour 38 minutes 51 secondsSpeaker 191: And then when those are combined, they all fit on that one page. Got it. Because it's all the same fund.

413. 1:38:58 — open the recording at 1 hour 38 minutes 58 secondsSpeaker 664: Can you do the...

414. 1:39:00 — open the recording at 1 hour 39 minutesSpeaker 716: Make a motion to approve.

415. 1:39:03 — open the recording at 1 hour 39 minutes 3 secondsSpeaker 678: Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Motion passes.

416. 1:39:21 — open the recording at 1 hour 39 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 723: So I guess that just leaves all your grade changes and then any stipend requests.

417. 1:39:45 — open the recording at 1 hour 39 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 599: didn't approve any of those so they're still open

418. 1:39:51 — open the recording at 1 hour 39 minutes 51 secondsSpeaker 730: whatever you guys want okay okay

419. 1:39:57 — open the recording at 1 hour 39 minutes 57 secondsSpeaker 731: all right

420. 1:40:06 — open the recording at 1 hour 40 minutes 6 secondsSpeaker 191: ladies we're going to call it a day and leave that for later let's make a list

421. 1:40:14 — open the recording at 1 hour 40 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 740: of what we still need to do good idea that's great

422. 1:40:27 — open the recording at 1 hour 40 minutes 27 secondsJudy (staff): so we need to do the lit funds and then with this paperwork that we gave it gives you the estimated balance at the end of this year if no additional appropriations were made in those funds after 731 that's your estimated balance okay and that's for all your lit funds and I also did County General okay so we need you need to look at those and see

423. 1:40:59 — open the recording at 1 hour 40 minutes 59 secondsSteve (councillor): and refresh my memory I I thought the last time we met we had decided anything that we could take out a lit we were going to do that and we did that but

424. 1:41:08 — open the recording at 1 hour 41 minutes 8 secondsJudy (staff): But then again, Samantha, what is that 0.2%? Because like on lit correctional rehab is 0.2%.

425. 1:41:18 — open the recording at 1 hour 41 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 55 (staff): That's why I said you probably need to talk to counsel about some of those things. Or not counsel.

426. 1:41:31 — open the recording at 1 hour 41 minutes 31 secondsSpeaker 100: Yeah, your counselor.

427. 1:41:32 — open the recording at 1 hour 41 minutes 32 secondsJudy (staff): Different counsel. It's spelled differently, yes. Yes. But you have everything at your fingertips for those of what is paid currently out of each of those funds.

428. 1:41:44 — open the recording at 1 hour 41 minutes 44 secondsJudy (staff): You know, like lit public safety, we eat into that every year because that's where over $2 million of it goes back to county general to reimburse jailers.

429. 1:41:56 — open the recording at 1 hour 41 minutes 56 secondsSpeaker 752: I am looking back.

430. 1:41:57 — open the recording at 1 hour 41 minutes 57 secondsJudy (staff): That's where we paid the first tower payments in 26, where it came out of that also. We were cutting into it, and if you look at the, it says a lit, and it's got listed out, I give you a little synopsis there about we are cutting into it each year, because the sheriff's stuff comes out of there also, some of the sheriff's stuff.

431. 1:42:27 — open the recording at 1 hour 42 minutes 27 secondsSpeaker 487: I'm trying to remember if I spoke with Samantha or if I had emails or text messages with her,

432. 1:42:34 — open the recording at 1 hour 42 minutes 34 secondsSteve (councillor): but she did address and I I thought

433. 1:42:45 — open the recording at 1 hour 42 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 614: you do have something there okay what do you have

434. 1:42:52 — open the recording at 1 hour 42 minutes 52 secondsSpeaker 760: she spoke with general counsel for State Board of Accounts he said the two-tenths of one percent as noted in the statute cannot be used for anything not tied to a facility whether correctional or rehabilitative the cc lit funds have to be used for facility purposes i told him it is for staff who perform dual diagnosis work trying to get into facility standard however he said that unless it is a specific facility they cannot be used public safety lit funds can be used statute with this highlights attached

435. 1:43:35 — open the recording at 1 hour 43 minutes 35 secondsSpeaker 763: so when she prints it she's got the ordinance on here

436. 1:43:50 — open the recording at 1 hour 43 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 764: a county fiscal body may adopt an ordinance to impose a tax rate for correctional facilities and rehabilitations facilities in the county. And it gives the particulars of how that's done. I can forward that to you again if you'd like.

437. 1:44:12 — open the recording at 1 hour 44 minutes 12 secondsSpeaker 373: Yeah, send that to each of us if you would be kind enough.

438. 1:44:15 — open the recording at 1 hour 44 minutes 15 secondsSpeaker 764: Absolutely.

439. 1:44:21 — open the recording at 1 hour 44 minutes 21 secondsSpeaker 47: I don't have any service in here.

440. 1:44:27 — open the recording at 1 hour 44 minutes 27 secondsSpeaker 42: So if I'm understanding you correctly, the answer is no, we cannot use, we need to go through general, it sounds like, for that. But even at that.

441. 1:44:57 — open the recording at 1 hour 44 minutes 57 secondsSpeaker 759: Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome.

442. 1:45:18 — open the recording at 1 hour 45 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 773: All right, so Community Corrections. What's up?

443. 1:45:53 — open the recording at 1 hour 45 minutes 53 secondsSpeaker 569: Thank you.

444. 1:46:23 — open the recording at 1 hour 46 minutes 23 secondsSpeaker 788: buddy but you're worth it nope i'll be on the beach that's right oh well see how she is well

445. 1:46:29 — open the recording at 1 hour 46 minutes 29 secondsSpeaker 503: now that's not gonna work have fun without me that's that's that's why we yeah yeah when do

446. 1:46:36 — open the recording at 1 hour 46 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 801: you leave judy when do you leave thursday thursday morning yeah so tomorrow's your only other day

447. 1:46:50 — open the recording at 1 hour 46 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 388: I can't do tomorrow when do you get back Judy

448. 1:46:56 — open the recording at 1 hour 46 minutes 56 secondsSpeaker 806: after the first reading of the budget after the first reading of the budget all right so

449. 1:47:12 — open the recording at 1 hour 47 minutes 12 secondsJudy (staff): actually had it scheduled for last week to go and then my husband got the wrong dates and he works at the airport so he was all hands on deck so he's been working 18 hours at the airport so

450. 1:47:24 — open the recording at 1 hour 47 minutes 24 secondsSteve (councillor): we switched it um i need some education here on first reading of the budget

451. 1:47:33 — open the recording at 1 hour 47 minutes 33 secondsSteve (councillor): is that where we just read the parts that we have done or is there are we expected to have

452. 1:47:40 — open the recording at 1 hour 47 minutes 40 secondsJudy (staff): a lot of times what they'll do is your committee chairperson or someone on the committee can say this is what we our recommendation and we give the

453. 1:47:53 — open the recording at 1 hour 47 minutes 53 secondsJudy (staff): highlights of what you've done like if you said no positions and the grant positions are going away and we're not going to fund them out of County General we recommended a position for the sheriff's department when you kind of tell the highlight okay so we're just getting some highlights to the others

454. 1:48:11 — open the recording at 1 hour 48 minutes 11 secondsJudy (staff): and then they will have a copy. It's not going to be a book, but it's going to be a copy of everything that you suggested to be changed. So they'll get that. And then they have time to mull that over and see what they like about it, what they don't like about it.

455. 1:48:36 — open the recording at 1 hour 48 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 814: More like what they don't like about it.

456. 1:48:37 — open the recording at 1 hour 48 minutes 37 secondsJudy (staff): Or what maybe an elected official or department head went to them and said, hey, this was taken out, we'd like to have it back in,

457. 1:48:45 — open the recording at 1 hour 48 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 816: and then they can make that recommendation to you to put it back in or do a vote.

458. 1:48:51 — open the recording at 1 hour 48 minutes 51 secondsJudy (staff): Or do a vote.

459. 1:48:55 — open the recording at 1 hour 48 minutes 55 secondsSpeaker 617: All right.

460. 1:48:56 — open the recording at 1 hour 48 minutes 56 secondsJudy (staff): But you do a vote in October. October. October. And whatever is finalized that night, these girls have ten days to get it in to Gateway. So that's why they're going to get a copy of what you recommended on the 1st and highly suggested that they look over all that.

461. 1:49:19 — open the recording at 1 hour 49 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 820: Right.

462. 1:49:19 — open the recording at 1 hour 49 minutes 19 secondsSpeaker 823: So we're not in the vote we were last year.

463. 1:49:22 — open the recording at 1 hour 49 minutes 22 secondsSpeaker 194: And also I'm going to be giving elected officials, department heads,

464. 1:49:28 — open the recording at 1 hour 49 minutes 28 secondsLarry (councillor): a copy of this so they can look at it, ask to discuss that with you if need be.

465. 1:49:35 — open the recording at 1 hour 49 minutes 35 secondsSpeaker 824: Okay.

466. 1:49:35 — open the recording at 1 hour 49 minutes 35 secondsSteve (councillor): Okay, so the week of the 14th, let's go back just a little bit further.

467. 1:49:47 — open the recording at 1 hour 49 minutes 47 secondsSteve (councillor): When do we have to have everything finalized by and have it in so that we can vote in October?

468. 1:49:53 — open the recording at 1 hour 49 minutes 53 secondsJudy (staff): everything's already in to gateway just morgan it'll have to go they'll have to go back in and change your recommendations

469. 1:50:09 — open the recording at 1 hour 50 minutes 9 secondsSpeaker 831: okay so i let me they'll get it then you'll get a copy of that when is our drop dead deadline

470. 1:50:18 — open the recording at 1 hour 50 minutes 18 secondsSteve (councillor): for the October because we're wanting to vote on this in October so when is our do we have all the way up till the October meeting we could still be making changes that that is acceptable

471. 1:50:34 — open the recording at 1 hour 50 minutes 34 secondsSpeaker 327: two weeks so that's what I'm asking so we have to advertise two weeks prior or

472. 1:50:40 — open the recording at 1 hour 50 minutes 40 secondsSpeaker 839: yes I don't know if I have to read advertise the budget though because

473. 1:50:44 — open the recording at 1 hour 50 minutes 44 secondsSpeaker 675 (staff): it's already advertised now it's you're correct your series ones was inflated by five percent your two threes and fours was inflated by ten percent just in case you guys decided to do mm-hmm whatever so now I mean we just we're gonna have to go back and change all of those numbers because like you guys aren't making decisions on you know like a cost of living or anything like that so as of right now it's not gonna reflect that it's I mean so certain things you know you guys can discuss that september 1st meeting and i don't know if the

474. 1:51:18 — open the recording at 1 hour 51 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 675 (staff): council is supposed to vote that night can they vote like to put something that in that night

475. 1:51:24 — open the recording at 1 hour 51 minutes 24 secondsSpeaker 272: or is it they can make their i mean you open it up they can that's my question because i don't know how that works i think the changes are made when you vote

476. 1:51:35 — open the recording at 1 hour 51 minutes 35 secondsSpeaker 267: in october that's when all the changes will go into effect it's not a budget until we vote

477. 1:51:41 — open the recording at 1 hour 51 minutes 41 secondsSpeaker 272: that it's a budget yes you guys can make those changes at the october meeting but then then again what you know some of these decisions you haven't made right you're still making

478. 1:51:51 — open the recording at 1 hour 51 minutes 51 secondsJudy (staff): you're okay you're putting a lot of pressure on people to get them in i understand all right so

479. 1:51:58 — open the recording at 1 hour 51 minutes 58 secondsSteve (councillor): so my but my just so i understand we don't need to advertise because we've already advertised we have until the october meeting to finish finish i would say by the end of september it would be

480. 1:52:11 — open the recording at 1 hour 52 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 675 (staff): nice for me and morgan i agree i agree no no i agree i agree i'm just trying to sort it in my

481. 1:52:18 — open the recording at 1 hour 52 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 860: head okay all right because i still have to make a council packet on top of your budget stuff so

482. 1:52:23 — open the recording at 1 hour 52 minutes 23 secondsSpeaker 837: for me all right so here's what i'm going to recommend you are gone until

483. 1:52:28 — open the recording at 1 hour 52 minutes 28 secondsSteve (councillor): after labor day the 8th is our meeting september meeting but you don't need me

484. 1:52:35 — open the recording at 1 hour 52 minutes 35 secondsSpeaker 864: we always need you no not necessarily i mean you guys are supposed to be making the decision

485. 1:52:41 — open the recording at 1 hour 52 minutes 41 secondsSpeaker 867: yeah based off of samantha's recommendations and i think i fully equipped you well either

486. 1:52:45 — open the recording at 1 hour 52 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 487: way the 7th is labor day anyway so it's not like we're going to meet that day uh do you

487. 1:52:51 — open the recording at 1 hour 52 minutes 51 secondsSpeaker 872: all want to shoot for the 14th fine how about you guys 14th all right so so what

488. 1:53:10 — open the recording at 1 hour 53 minutes 10 secondsSteve (councillor): if we were to yeah probably 10 a.m. or 9 a.m. whatever doesn't really matter

489. 1:53:14 — open the recording at 1 hour 53 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 881: and if it's not it'll be afternoon yeah and after it's fine too yeah whatever's

490. 1:53:19 — open the recording at 1 hour 53 minutes 19 secondsSteve (councillor): available all right and then do we also want to shoot for the 16th that way yes that'll be we'll talk on the 14th which is a Monday on the 16th two days later that's given us time to go home do a little research come back reconvene and hopefully take some final votes do you think we need more than two more days or

491. 1:53:45 — open the recording at 1 hour 53 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 885: think we're good we think anybody we take we schedule it if we don't need it

492. 1:53:50 — open the recording at 1 hour 53 minutes 50 secondsSpeaker 887: we won't use it I'm actually off on that week but I'll change my vacation no no

493. 1:53:57 — open the recording at 1 hour 53 minutes 57 secondsSpeaker 890: no no no no no you don't need to do that this is too important no you're gone

494. 1:54:02 — open the recording at 1 hour 54 minutes 2 secondsSpeaker 144: we'll just have a party you well first off can Morgan run it without you absolutely why don't just go go on vacation seriously it's not a big deal

495. 1:54:11 — open the recording at 1 hour 54 minutes 11 secondsSpeaker 894: I'll be here then we'll switch it we literally have that very next time is of

496. 1:54:18 — open the recording at 1 hour 54 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 220: essence so I don't disagree but we have that very next week we could do the

497. 1:54:22 — open the recording at 1 hour 54 minutes 22 secondsSpeaker 895: exact same thing Monday Wednesday I'd rather do it earlier than later yeah I

498. 1:54:27 — open the recording at 1 hour 54 minutes 27 secondsSpeaker 896: can I can whatever you decide we're going to that's when we're going to do

499. 1:54:30 — open the recording at 1 hour 54 minutes 30 secondsSpeaker 100: it and you'd be welcome to be gone I was just gonna be doing your work anyway so have that we still need to you need to make your decisions on the lit funds what can be paid out of it because like EMA was going to be moved to let public

500. 1:54:47 — open the recording at 1 hour 54 minutes 47 secondsJudy (staff): safety you know is it going to be able to sustain that you know for this next

501. 1:54:51 — open the recording at 1 hour 54 minutes 51 secondsSpeaker 264: year what all do we have for you are for lit funds EMA

502. 1:54:58 — open the recording at 1 hour 54 minutes 58 secondsJudy (staff): well that's lit public safety yes but that's something else that got put in there for the you know your tower payments too late to get them for anything that's going to have to be additional appropriation next year because it wasn't advertised anywhere because we didn't have answers.

503. 1:55:14 — open the recording at 1 hour 55 minutes 14 secondsSpeaker 466: Would you guys be kind enough to make us a list of what we have to get in there?

504. 1:55:18 — open the recording at 1 hour 55 minutes 18 secondsSpeaker 272: That would be really good so we won't get brain dead. Your grade changes in positions.

505. 1:55:24 — open the recording at 1 hour 55 minutes 24 secondsSpeaker 904: Okay.

506. 1:55:26 — open the recording at 1 hour 55 minutes 26 secondsSpeaker 52 (staff): And I think that's all. Oh, that's no big deal. That's okay. Okay. I think those are the main things that still need to be addressed.

507. 1:55:34 — open the recording at 1 hour 55 minutes 34 secondsSpeaker 191: Okay.

508. 1:55:36 — open the recording at 1 hour 55 minutes 36 secondsSpeaker 906: We got this.

509. 1:55:37 — open the recording at 1 hour 55 minutes 37 secondsSteve (councillor): we can do this. Alright so the 14th and the 16th you guys let us know what times and if those dates are available and if so we'll put them on our calendars. Now

510. 1:55:46 — open the recording at 1 hour 55 minutes 46 secondsJudy (staff): would you like me the stuff that I handed out to you and I get Brad today about the lit funds that I did at the first of the year and sent out telling you what's paid out of each fund and the estimated where we would be at the end of the year and I think else is then would you like me to send that to all of the council members so they have that in their back pocket to look at be pretty good hey one

511. 1:56:11 — open the recording at 1 hour 56 minutes 11 secondsSteve (councillor): other thing I would like to look at again if somebody will put it in their notes I personally would like to revisit the stipends for the group homes

512. 1:56:26 — open the recording at 1 hour 56 minutes 26 secondsSpeaker 490: so especially if we're going up doing a raise

513. 1:56:35 — open the recording at 1 hour 56 minutes 35 secondsSpeaker 3 (chair): Okay, have we got what we need accomplished accomplished?

514. 1:56:45 — open the recording at 1 hour 56 minutes 45 secondsSpeaker 192: The Beagle County Budget Committee will stand in recess until further notice.

515. 1:56:55 — open the recording at 1 hour 56 minutes 55 secondsSpeaker 914: Thank you.

516. 1:56:57 — open the recording at 1 hour 56 minutes 57 seconds That's okay.

517. 1:57:05 — open the recording at 1 hour 57 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 918: Thank you.

518. 1:57:35 — open the recording at 1 hour 57 minutes 35 seconds Thank you.

519. 1:58:05 — open the recording at 1 hour 58 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 925: Did I know? I don't know. He wasn't here.

520. 1:58:35 — open the recording at 1 hour 58 minutes 35 seconds Thank you.

521. 1:59:05 — open the recording at 1 hour 59 minutes 5 secondsSpeaker 934: Thank you.

522. 1:59:35 — open the recording at 1 hour 59 minutes 35 seconds Okay.

523. 2:00:05 — open the recording at 2 hours 5 seconds Thank you. just

524. 2:00:47 — open the recording at 2 hours 47 secondsSpeaker 938: is

525. 2:01:05 — open the recording at 2 hours 1 minute 5 seconds Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.